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Re: Yet Another Slashdot Thread Mentions Zope
by Squishdot 27 Oct '99

27 Oct '99

> hehe.. and no-one's said a bad thing yet! > > http://slashdot.org/askslashdot/99/10/16/166256.shtml > > -Michel This explains it. Squishdot.org daily hit stats just went thru the roof (1000+) -- (prev. record was just 200+) !!! Butch ===== Butch Landingin Squishdot maintainer http://squishdot.org squishdot(a)yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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RE: [Zope] SmartWorker
by Jay, Dylan 27 Oct '99

27 Oct '99

well said. > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick Phalen [mailto:zope@teleo.net] > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 03:31 > To: zope(a)zope.org > Subject: Re: [Zope] SmartWorker > > > [Oleg Broytmann, on Tue, 26 Oct 1999]: > > :: Web Developmnet Platforms? Aren't there a little too > many of them? :) > > > Perhaps. But it would be foolish to believe we've even begun > to see the > explosion of offerings in this category. > > Just this morning, Marc Andreesen announced the launch of his new > startup, Loudcloud, addressed at providing enterprise technologies for > getting business logic on the web. > > Saturday, a new e-group was formed to develop an open source XML-XSL > server-side replacement for RDBMS/OODBMS solutions > (http://www.egroups.com/group/xml-server/) > > IONA just announced a new suite of applications which are entirely > standards-based -- CORBA, EJB, Java2, Enterprise Edition, XML, SOAP, > HTTP (http://www.iona-portal.com) This one is particularly clever, > simply because Enterprise IT managers, as a class, tend to be very > conservative. They gravitate to standards-based solutions, since these > tend to be "job-preserving" for them. I'd expect to see more solutions > built on this model. > > Unquestionably, Zope has the right underpinnings to allow it to evolve > to accommodate just about anything the future might throw at it. > However, I think it is time to give some thought to repositioning Zope > from a strictly marketing perspective. Trout and Ries wrote a > marketing > classic, _Positioning, Battle for the Mind_, about this > subject. Simply > put, when a product category gets crowded, marketers need clear > communication of product positioning to gain mind share. No > marketer can > hope to be all things to all people. No marketer can hope to battle > Microsoft and IBM on the "everything in one box" turf. > > Every corporation in the world with any foresight is now formulating > its strategy for getting its business on the Internet. Within a year, > most of them will have chosen a course. The majority of them > will allow > themselves to get seduced into a lockin platform environment, of the > Allaire, Vignette variety. Why? Because these platforms have market > share, deployable marketing strategies, trained business development > teams, large established clients they can point to, slick > documentation and aftermarket support. Like it or not, these are the > ingredients that buyers look for when they make a purchasing decision > that their job security hangs on. Where does Zope fall down in this > mix? Primarily in providing clear positioning to prospective > new users. > > Of course, Zope users know that these other users will > probably come to > regret their choice down the road when the platform runs out of steam, > but by then they'll also likely put up with any sort of delay and > kludge from their platform providers, just because of the pain of > making a switch. Microsoft and Oracle have both profited from > this kind > of inertia. > > I'd like to suggest we should all, as a community, take a > fresh look at > the front door on the Zope web site and suggest improvements to make > sure that new prospective users can get an *immediate* grasp of Zope's > unique "selling" propositions. > >

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RE: [Zope] SmartWorker
by Jay, Dylan 27 Oct '99

27 Oct '99

> -----Original Message----- > From: Oleg Broytmann [mailto:phd@phd.russ.ru] > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 02:26 > To: Zope Mailing List > Subject: [Zope] SmartWorker > > > Hi! > > While browsing the Web, just found Yet Another Web Application > Development Platform. Now it is SmartWorker, and it is based on Perl: > http://www.smartworker.org/ > License will change in near future for (I think) more open. > > Web Developmnet Platforms? Aren't there a little too many > of them? :) Looks like some neat ideas. I like the idea of abstracting html controls into cross-browser(environment) widgets but I don't think it will work very well in the same way that java AWT didn't work. To get it to work will mean the lowest common denominator of all rendered platforms is used. Also people care to much about presentation and want to get under the covers. However for those that don't a class library of complicated controls would be cool, like the calander control that exists already. One I'd like to see is a add and remove control (the one with two lists like in the ZClass inheritance dialog). The problem with dialogs like this is to create them without javascript or DHTML you would need to abstract over more than one transaction. Even more impressive is multiligual idea. Zope can supposedly handle this by aquisition but does this work? I imagine to do this it would be something like root folder1 doc1.html folder2 doc2.html method anotherlang folder1 doc1.html folder2 doc2.html method And calling with /root/folder1/doc1.html or /root/anotherlang/folder1/doc1.html depending on the language. Another way of doing all this is to say that anyone object can have multiple alternative forms. Then have something in the context determine that form. Maybe each object has a small method that can get overridden to determine which form to return at any one request. This would work for images for instance with high and low bandwidth versions. The bigest advantage of this I think is that your then modifying one hierachy instead of many and therefore are less likely to make mistakes about propagating changes.

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Re: [Zope] [announce] Local File System product
by Jonothan Farr 26 Oct '99

26 Oct '99

> >What I was planning on doing for security was having an "access" file in > >the products directory that contained a list of directories and a list of > >the files (allowing wildcards) that you were allowed to access in _that_ > >directory. It was going to default to only letting you read txt and log > >files in the product directory itself (defined by .). > >You could also add roles to this file. > > My 'file access' product creates Zope folders which correspond to > directories and other interesting objects. These Zope folders > can use the std zope acl_users (or whatever) and can also contain > methods and products in the Zope database specific to that > directory or file tree. This allows you to create different meta-data > for the same directories, depending on how they are accessed from > Zope (different subdir folders pointing at the same filesys path). That's closer to how I was planning to allow access control for specific directories and files. The problem with this approach is that I don't want to make the objects that represent directories or files in the local file system persistent Zope objects, which would be necessary to store access control data in the ZODB. I like the 'access' file approach for that reason, but I don't like the fact that it wouldn't be manageable throught the Zope interface. I honestly haven't come up with a really good solution yet. --jfarr

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RE: [Zope] Using batch variables in expressions
by Ian Blenke 26 Oct '99

26 Oct '99

Here's the test form method "foo_test". <dtml-var standard_html_header> <form action="foo"> <input name="first" type="hidden"> <input name="last" type="hidden"> <input name="email" type="hidden"> <input type="submit" value="&Submit"> </form> <dtml-var standard_html_footer> Here's the method you wrote, named "foo" here, with a few changes: <dtml-let required="['first', 'last', 'email']"> <dtml-in required> <dtml-if expr="REQUEST.form[_['sequence-item']]"> <dtml-var sequence-item> exists </dtml-if> </dtml-in> </dtml-let> This shows that all fields exist. Perhaps someone else can expound on how you can trap the error that occurs when the element is missing from REQUEST.form[] - Ian -----Original Message----- From: Ben Glazer [mailto:glazer@scicomp.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 1999 6:14 PM To: Zope Mailing List Cc: Robert Young; Elaine Kant Subject: [Zope] Using batch variables in expressions I want to verify that certain fields in a form have been entered. Here's a code snippet I've tried to use: <dtml-let required="('first', 'last', 'email')"> <dtml-in required> <dtml-if expr="REQUEST.form[sequence-item]"> <dtml-var sequence-item> exists </dtml-if> </dtml-in> </dtml-let> Naturally, I get an error when this is executed, since Python interprets "sequence-item" in the dtml-if as subtracting item from sequence. I thought <dtml-var sequence-item> might work, but apparently that sort of thing is not allowed in an expression. Is there a way to access the value of sequence-item in an expression? If not, how could I go about verifying that form fields are entered correctly? As a side note, is there any good reason that sequence-item isn't spelled sequence_item? Just curious... Thanks, Ben _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope (Related lists - please, no cross posts or HTML encoding! To receive general Zope announcements, see: http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce For developer-specific issues, zope-dev(a)zope.org - http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )

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NotMail
by David Bolack 26 Oct '99

26 Oct '99

I just attempted to install NotMail. Not much luck. The import appears to not be happy. I get the following Traceback. NotMail Import Traceback Traceback (innermost last): File "C:\Program Files\Gameshop\lib\python\OFS\Application.py", line 393, in import_products product=__import__(pname, global_dict, global_dict, silly) File "C:\Program Files\Gameshop\lib\python\Products\NotMail\__init__.py", line 89, in ? import NotMail SyntaxError: non-default argument follows default argument (line 199)

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Yet Another Slashdot Thread Mentions Zope
by Michel Pelletier 26 Oct '99

26 Oct '99

hehe.. and no-one's said a bad thing yet! http://slashdot.org/askslashdot/99/10/16/166256.shtml -Michel

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Using batch variables in expressions
by Ben Glazer 26 Oct '99

26 Oct '99

I want to verify that certain fields in a form have been entered. Here's a code snippet I've tried to use: <dtml-let required="('first', 'last', 'email')"> <dtml-in required> <dtml-if expr="REQUEST.form[sequence-item]"> <dtml-var sequence-item> exists </dtml-if> </dtml-in> </dtml-let> Naturally, I get an error when this is executed, since Python interprets "sequence-item" in the dtml-if as subtracting item from sequence. I thought <dtml-var sequence-item> might work, but apparently that sort of thing is not allowed in an expression. Is there a way to access the value of sequence-item in an expression? If not, how could I go about verifying that form fields are entered correctly? As a side note, is there any good reason that sequence-item isn't spelled sequence_item? Just curious... Thanks, Ben

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Re: [Zope] Using batch variables in expressions
by Kevin Dangoor 26 Oct '99

26 Oct '99

-----Original Message----- From: Ben Glazer <glazer(a)scicomp.com> To: Zope Mailing List <zope(a)zope.org> Cc: Robert Young <ryoung(a)scicomp.com>; Elaine Kant <kant(a)scicomp.com> Date: Tuesday, October 26, 1999 6:29 PM Subject: [Zope] Using batch variables in expressions >I want to verify that certain fields in a form have been entered. Here's a >code snippet I've tried to use: > ><dtml-let required="('first', 'last', 'email')"> > <dtml-in required> > <dtml-if expr="REQUEST.form[sequence-item]"> > <dtml-var sequence-item> exists > </dtml-if> > </dtml-in> ></dtml-let> The way to get around python choking on this is to look up sequence-item in the namespace: <dtml-if expr="REQUEST.form[_['sequence-item']]"> Kevin

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ZPyGreSQL error
by Bruce Elrick 26 Oct '99

26 Oct '99

Howdy... Hope someone can help on this... I get the following error:  Traceback (innermost last): File /data1/zope-2.0.0/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 214, in publish_module File /data1/zope-2.0.0/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 176, in publish File /data1/zope-2.0.0/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 201, in zpublisher_exception_hook (Object: ElementWithAttributes) File /data1/zope-2.0.0/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 161, in publish File /data1/zope-2.0.0/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, in mapply (Object: DeleteEmployeeAction) File /data1/zope-2.0.0/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 102, in call_object (Object: DeleteEmployeeAction) File /data1/zope-2.0.0/lib/python/OFS/DTMLMethod.py, line 145, in __call__ (Object: DeleteEmployeeAction) File /data1/zope-2.0.0/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py, line 502, in __call__ (Object: DeleteEmployeeAction) File /data1/zope-2.0.0/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_With.py, line 148, in render (Object: delete) File /data1/zope-2.0.0/lib/python/Shared/DC/ZRDB/DA.py, line 401, in __call__ (Object: delete_employee) File /data1/zope-2.0.0/lib/python/Products/ZPyGreSQLDA/db.py, line 163, in query pg.error: (see above) With Zope 2.0.1, Python 1.5.2, ZPyGreSQL 0.0.3, PostGreSQL 6.5.2. Recently I switched from Zserver to (IBM)Apache/PCGI. I've found fmgr_info in the /usr/include/pgsql/fmgr.h header file, but this is way beyond my experience. Note that I am able to do inserts and selects using this DB connection, just deletes fail. Thanks in advance for any help... Bruce -- Bruce Elrick, Ph.D. Saltus Technology Consulting Group Personal: belrick(a)home.com IBM Certified Specialist Business: belrick(a)saltus.ab.ca ADSM, AIX Support, RS/6000 SP, HACMP

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