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RE: [Zope] is DTML a www standard?
by sean.upton＠uniontrib.com 06 Jul '01

06 Jul '01

There are very good reasons for modularizing SQL methods, even if they do increase your object count, IMHO... If you have ever build a big application in anything like ASP or other templating setup that mixes presentation and logic, you really start to want modularization very quickly, especially if the application has: 1. Muliple developers 2. Is constantly changing I think the real solution to this problem (object clutter) is an updated version of Transparent folders minus the namespace bug, and perhaps minus the bug (I'm not sure if this one is reported), that makes transparent folders break Ram Cache Managers... As soon as a more stable version of Transparent Folders is released, it serves as a good place to put SQL methods and logic, leaving the presentation templates in the main folder for simplicity's sake... Sean -----Original Message----- From: Alan Capesius [mailto:alanc@tech-world.com] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 11:35 AM Cc: zope(a)zope.org Subject: RE: [Zope] is DTML a www standard? > -----Original Message----- > From: zope-admin(a)zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Casey > Duncan > > Zope page templates are attempting to do just that by making a Zope > scripting language that is standards compliant, ala XHTML. I myself have > not used them much, but I hear they are addicting. I haven't tried ZPT yet. Mainly using ZSQL to front-end SQL Server now. > My friend, one of the greatest contributions someone can make to a > project is documentation, and you don't have to be a programmer. Feel > free to pitch in! Already started :) > I would disagree. Many of the major initiatives in Zope right now: CMF, > Page Templates, etc are focused around content management and user > interface. I see alot of large-scale issues, it's the little things that mean alot though. > To me one complex DTML > method is much worse than 3 or 4 simple DTML/SQL methods, > documents/scripts. I agree, but my point was simple-query to report. This would allow one to create a single method that incorporates both the output form and the SQL into a single object. In my environment, this would respresent about 90% of the SQL reports and would reduce my object count by about 40%. > However, I think you are making Python seem a lot harder > than it is. It is one of the easiest languages to learn and work with. The point here is the programmer mentality. Alot of people that work with the Web are not programmers and frankly, scripting pushes their limits. Dependence on Python limits the market. > I believe this is happening. Zope just needs to reach a critical mass of > users to get truely "embraced". Once that happens, I think all hell will > break loose. > In my case, unless I was friends with a guy who is very into Linux, I would not have heard of Zope. Still wouldn't have heard of Zope and likely wouldn't ever have heard of Zope. The Open Source, Linux and Python communities are very insular. Probably a result of the anti-windows rhetoric tossed around so much. (which we see sometimes within this list as well). Or as well, a bias from the windows community. The VB, Delphi and VC++ guys are the same and if they think they have to learn Pyhton to use Zope, they wont. (yes, yes, in general, I feel this is accurate, there are always exceptions... but they aren't the loudest cannon in the fort.) _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )

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ZCatalog Searching on Path
by Brian Brinegar 06 Jul '01

06 Jul '01

I would like to be able to search a ZCatalog based on the path to the cataloged object. Basically I would like to say "Show me all of the cataloged objects that fall within this folder" and have it return a list. Since the ZCatalog uses the physical path to identify objects I know the data is stored, but has anyone found a way to search on that data? --Brian

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Zope 2.3 nominated for Webtechniques Web Tools readers choice award
by Michael R. Bernstein 06 Jul '01

06 Jul '01

If you go to http://www.webtechniques.com/wtawards/2001/getballot.shtml you can request a ballot, and receive a URL via email that you can got to for voting. Zope 2.3 is featured in the 'infrastructure' category, rather than 'strategy' or 'development', but I suppose each person will see that choice differently. I think that in addition to voting for Zope in it's category, people should add a write in candidate for Python 2.1 in the development category. Go team! Michael Bernstein.

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RE: [Zope] Zope 2.3 nominated for Webtechniques Web Tools readers choice award
by sean.upton＠uniontrib.com 06 Jul '01

06 Jul '01

Suggestion: why not also write in "Zope 2.3 / Python" in the development category. Sean -----Original Message----- From: Andy McKay [mailto:andym@ActiveState.com] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 10:33 AM To: Michael R. Bernstein; zope(a)zope.org Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope 2.3 nominated for Webtechniques Web Tools readers choice award Its just the following format. Replace your(a)email.address with your email address. http://www.webreview.com/cgi-bin/poll_2001/ballot_gen.pl?email_address=your@ email.address Cheers. -- Andy McKay. _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )

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Strange problem with ZMySQLDA
by Kevin L 06 Jul '01

06 Jul '01

Hello, I get the following error when calling a Z SQL Method within a <dtml-in> tag: Warning: Some non-transactional changed tables couldn't be rolled back For example: <dtml-in "_.range(0,5)"> <dtml-call "insert_rec(num=sequence-number)"> </dtml-in> The method just inserts one row into a table. Calling it on it's own works fine, as does executing it via the "Test" function. But calling it from inside <dtml-in> always gives the error. According to the mysql log file it runs the query (althoug the record does not get inserted) and then does a ROLLBACK (why???). Has anyone encountered this before? thanks much -Kevin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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External Method Problem
by Özgür Caner 06 Jul '01

06 Jul '01

Hello, I've a external method called 'getUserGroups', for the code of this method look at the end of this message, and when I call this method with: <dtml-var "getUserGroups (REQUEST['REMOTE_USER'])"> i get this error: Traceback (innermost last): File C:\PROGRA~1\zope\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 223, in publish_module File C:\PROGRA~1\zope\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 187, in publish File C:\PROGRA~1\zope\lib\python\Zope\__init__.py, line 221, in zpublisher_exception_hook (Object: Traversable) File C:\PROGRA~1\zope\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 171, in publish File C:\PROGRA~1\zope\lib\python\ZPublisher\mapply.py, line 160, in mapply (Object: test) File C:\PROGRA~1\zope\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 112, in call_object (Object: test) File C:\PROGRA~1\zope\lib\python\OFS\DTMLDocument.py, line 189, in __call__ (Object: test) File C:\PROGRA~1\zope\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT_String.py, line 538, in __call__ (Object: test) File C:\PROGRA~1\zope\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT_Util.py, line 334, in eval (Object: getUserGroups (REQUEST['REMOTE_USER'])) (Info: getUserGroups) File <string>, line 0, in ? File C:\PROGRA~1\zope\lib\python\Products\ExternalMethod\ExternalMethod.py, line 269, in __call__ (Object: getUserGroups) (Info: (('TEUTONET\\administrator',), {}, None)) File C:\PROGRA~1\zope\Extensions\getUserGroups.py, line 19, in getUserGroups (Object: Traversable) AttributeError: (see above) Is this an error or a Security Feature of External Methods? --- getUserGroups.py: import win32net import string def getUserGroups (self, canon_username): tmp = [] groups = [] dc = '' server = '' username = '' if string.find (canon_username, '\\') != -1: tmp = string.split (canon_username, '\\') if (len (tmp) == 2): dc = tmp [0] username = tmp[1] server = win32net.NetGetDCName ('', dc) groups = win32net.NetUserGetGroups (server, username) return groups --- Thanks and greetings Özgür Caner

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How to force root context thru URL acquisition?
by Joel Burton 06 Jul '01

06 Jul '01

I have a simple DTML Method, Dig, which produces a sitemap by recursively digging into objectValues. I keep this at the root level of our site so that I can give it a URL like http://foo.com/about/stencils/Dig and get a sitemap of everything in & below /about/stencils However, my root dir is getting very full, so I was moving some administrative tools to subfolders where they are used. I want to move Dig to the admin folder. If I do this, I can still get a sitemap of stencils, now with http://foo.com/admin/about/stencils/Dig (assuming that admin doesn't have an about section, of course) However, how do I get a sitemap of the whole site? How can I put into the URL that I want to go back to the top? a) I know I can crete a DTMLDocument that does something like <dtml-with "PARENTS[-1]"><dtml-var Dig></dtml-with>. I want to do this in the URL, not have to create a special method for root digging. b) I tried creating an object in the admin folder to represent the root level. This was called "root", and contained <dtml-return "PARENTS[-1]"> but if I try http://foo.com/admin/root/Dig I don' get anything. Any ideas? Thanks! -- Joel Burton <jburton(a)scw.org> Director of Information Systems, Support Center of Washington

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Access Object 'by name' from python
by Horst Wald 06 Jul '01

06 Jul '01

Hi, is there a way to access Objects 'by name'? I mean to pass the name or the path of an object to a python script and then call it? Like the _[...] trick? By the way: via objectItems(), I can get a list like ['DB', 'DBAdapter', 'DBInterface', 'index_html', 'rename', 'kadabra', 'abra', 'LogBuch', 'LogNeu', 'delete', 'exists', 'ko', 'asas', 'copy_of_ko', 'listRec', 'listAll'] of all the objects in a given folder. Is there a way to do that recursively? One last question: is there a way to see the type of a given object from python? Or to see if it has certain attributes? Thank you Gurus Horst _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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RE: [Zope] Python/DBI/ODBC/Zope
by Schmidt, Allen J. 06 Jul '01

06 Jul '01

There is a version of dbi.dll that lives in ZOPE/bin/lib/win32 We can run this from the command line while in the EXTENSIONS folder of the Zopesite. How can we tell Zope to run using the one from inside itself? And not the one in the Python20/win32 folder? I moved the dbi.dll from bin/lib/win32 and it makes no difference. How does Python see the file to import if it is only a a DLL file? -----Original Message----- From: Thomas B. Passin [mailto:tpassin@mitretek.org] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 10:42 AM To: zope(a)zope.org Subject: Re: [Zope] Python/DBI/ODBC/Zope [Schmidt, Allen J] > We have a Python program that reads a URL, rips it apart and dumps the > pieces into an ODBC connected database. Works fine from the command line. > > If we try to add this into Zope as an External Method, it states it cannot > find the dbi component. import dbi uses a dbi.dll in Windows. > > This was developed on 2.1 Python but the dbi module exists in Zopes 1.52 > Python so I am not sure where the problem is. > > Your development installation of python probably has a different python path than the Zope installation, that's why it isn't being found. You need to add its location to the python path that Zope uses, one way or another. Use its location in you development tree as a guide,a nd try to put in in the equivalent location in Zope. You can add to the Zope search path by: 1) Adding a set pythonpath=... statement to the batch file that starts Zope 2) add a xxx.pth file to the Zope python directory - put the path to the file on a single line in the .pth file 3) Hack z2.py to add the path to sys.path Or you can try copying the file to the python library directory where other similar files already live. Of course, what you do will depend on how the existing code specifies the location of the dbi.dll, but this should be enough for you to work it out. One final possibility is that Zope is finding the version compiled for Python 2.1. You would get some kind of an import error if that happens. You have to make sure that your external method is using the version compiled for Python 1.5.2. Cheers, Tom P _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )

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WHY ? -- Performace in serving large media files from ZODB vs from external file system
by Sedat Yilmazer 06 Jul '01

06 Jul '01

Hi Zopers In the performance for large image files discussion Dieter Wrote > Both will be quite slow when servered by ZServer. What could be the reason for being "slow". Since the files are large, the setup time can be ignored ( time to locate the object) Once the object is found only thing that remains is the reading the file from DB ( should be a plain read) and push it to the connection. I do not see a reason for beeing slow on the db read once the data is located inside the DB. Data may or may not be in a continuous block as in the file system. I see no code / decode or copmress/decompress in the process. So why should the ZServer be slow? Do I miss something here? IMHO moving some stuff from zope for minimal performance reasons breaks zope OOWEB idea! Sedat Yilmazer Kibele Iletisim Sis. ve Serv. Ltd. -----Original Message----- From: zope-admin(a)zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Dieter Maurer Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 1:48 AM To: Dirksen Cc: zope(a)zope.org Subject: Re: [Zope] Performace in serving large media files from ZODB vs from external file system Dirksen writes: > Judging only from response time, throughput handling, download speed, which way to serve > large files has better performance, from ZOSB or as external file by LocalFS product? Both will be quite slow when servered by ZServer. With LocalFS, you can them serve however with a standard WWW server, e.g. Apache. Dieter _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )

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