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RE: [Zope] ANNOUNCE: EXPERIMENTAL DTML Syntax change
by Jeffrey Shell 15 Jun '99

15 Jun '99

> It would be more helpfull. Homesite could be taught to > support it quite > easily, including hinting and dialog boxes specifying the options. Right. Setting up Alpha (emacs-ish Mac text editor with great HTML mode) to do it was quite easy. Hurrah!

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Learning
by Tom Deprez 15 Jun '99

15 Jun '99

I'm interested to find some information on the term 'weblog' (like Squishdot refers to). Anybody who can refer me to a place where it is it explained from where it comes, for what it is used, .... other systems Regards, Tom.

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RE: [Zope] IE FrontPage Express authoring vs. Netscape authoring
by Michel Pelletier 15 Jun '99

15 Jun '99

Netscape publishing ability works with Zope because it is based on the HTTP standard PUT mechanism. Frontpage is not (as far as I know) based on *any* standard therefore it probably does not work. Note that FrontPage 2000 is claimed to use the WebDAV protocol (Zope fully supports the WebDAV protocol) but no one knows if FP will support the WebDAV standard or if MS will invent their own. -Michel PS. Please don't send HTML or Rich Text formatted mail to the Zope mailing list. -----Original Message----- From: Barry Reicherter [mailto:breicherter@ex-pressnet.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 5:06 PM To: zope(a)zope.org Subject: [Zope] IE FrontPage Express authoring vs. Netscape authoring I see how nicely the Netscape Composer publishing functions works with Zope from the description given in the Zope Managers Guide, but I was wondering if there was possible for this same process to be created using FrontPage Express as the authoring tool. I haven't looked at FrontPage Express in some time and don't know if it even had a publish function, but I wondered if this had been given any thought, given the increased adoption of IE in corporations. Thanks.

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Looking for a Zope friendly ISP
by Aaron Rubin 15 Jun '99

15 Jun '99

Hi folks, Anyone have an ISP they recommend for running a Zope server on? My current ISP is willing to load Python on one of their servers for me, but this is for a new client and I've had problems with this ISP when it comes to keep shopping carts daemons running (minivend specifically). Thanks for any advice you can supply. -- Aaron Rubin

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Anyone got ZServer 2.0x running under Solaris?
by Tony McDonald 15 Jun '99

15 Jun '99

I'm Having major hassle getting ZServer (any version) to run under SunOS5.6 and 5.7. I don't want to clutter the list with tracebacks etc. so if someone who has got it working can contact me, I *promise* to write up the experience for others... Tone ------ Dr Tony McDonald, FMCC, Networked Learning Environments Project The Medical School, Newcastle University Tel: +44 191 222 5888 Fingerprint: 3450 876D FA41 B926 D3DD F8C3 F2D0 C3B9 8B38 18A2

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Any more consultants on this list?
by Andrew Bunner 15 Jun '99

15 Jun '99

We are putting together a set of design goals for the next revision of one of the web sites we manage. The site (http://www.elitefitness.com) aspires to be portal-esque in nature and looks like a good fit for Zope. I'm writing the list to solicit the names of Zope developers/companies who would be interested in installing, configuring and customizing Zope to meet our needs. If you or your employer is available for projects like this, drop me an email and I'll send you a more "meaty" document later this week. Breifly and in order of importance, our primary goals are: 1) To simplify the task of content management to the point where employees of Elite Fitness can, with little training or knowledge of HTML, add articles to the site. We would like the articles to automagically get formatted in the right way (i.e. With site-branding fluff around the content) and to appear in the right indices (i.e. If the author indicates the new article is about supplements, a link to the article should appear in a place where we've decided to group those links) 2) To enable Geocities/Xoom-like hosting of fitness-oriented web sites to anyone who signs up for one. e.g. If I register as user 'hug3D00d', I can create content that's viewable at http://elitefitness.com/members/hu3D00d ... or some similar URL. 3) To allow personal trainers to enter contact information and create a web page (hosted freely on Elite Fitness). The idea is to build a database of personal trainers so that visitors can query by geographical location and bring up the trainer's data and web page 4) To allow "featured writers" to add articles to the site in special branch of the navigation hierarchy. Only people who've received the distinction of "featured writer" may add content to this area, and then they are only allowed to modify documents that they created 5) To be able to make site-wide HTML formatting changes without editing each page individually. I know Zope makes it easy to do this. We just want someone who knows how to do it well. 6) This is the kicker... to unify registration for the free web space, our affiliate program (LinkShare - http://www.linkshare.com) our discussion boards (eShare - http://boards.elitefitness.com) and our mailing list (UnityMail - http://www.unitymail.com) We'd like people to click "Join The Elite Fitness Community", fill out some information and then find themselves with a web page, access to our eShare discussion boards, an (optional) subscription to our mailing list, and the ability participate in our affiliate program by just adding some special links to their new home page. If I was doing it in Perl, I'd use HTTP::Request::Common and LWP::UserAgent to automate the form submissions. It's trickier than it sounds because you have to check to see that registration actually succeeded with eShare and LinkShare. eShare, I know is very picky about what's an acceptable name. In addition to being unique, it has to also pass through a filter that weeds out obscenities and names that are "too similar" to existing names. This is more than a bit vague because we are still spec-ing out exactly what navigation hierarchy and features we want. The scope of the project does not include doing any HTML design work (unless you happen to be really good at that, too). We were planning on having a graphics design deliver a set of HTML templates to be Zope-ified so that new pages of a particular type would get the right template. If you'd like me to mail you some more specific information about the project later this week, please indicate your interest/availability by mailing me. Thanks in advance to any that respond! Also, I've just been lurking on the list for a day or so, but I see that <% %> is being debated versus some other options to tag python code. Why not use the XML syntax for processing instructions? http://www.w3.org/TR/1998/REC-xml-19980210#sec-pi ... something like <?zope ... ?> or <?python ... ?> -- Andrew Andrew Bunner President, Mass Quantities, Inc. bunner(a)massquantities.com Professional Supplements for the Perfect Physique http://www.massquantities.com

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RE: [Zope] Is there any plans to combine harvest with catalog?
by Rob Page 15 Jun '99

15 Jun '99

> Ahh, Harvest. Brings back old memories. I started using it > in 1992/93 > and we actually fielded some consulting opportunities using it before > the group disbanded (most going to Netscape to start the Catalog > Server). > > I thought Harvest was mostly dead? > > Anyway, having a web crawler index your site has strengths and > limitations as have been described here. We at one time had extended > Harvest to make it "play nice" with an object system we had > created (for > employment info), but in the end the two architectures were too > disimilar. With the advent of the Zope Catalog an intersting derivative idea might be to allow Zope to cough up RDF descriptions of definable (i.e., /Zope/Marketing/*, /Zope/US/Sales*, etc.) portions of the object space. I know that InfoSeek's Ultraseek and Netscape's Compass servers will gather RDF (to use a Harvest word). This lets the local server add most of the value and the spider's can come along for a relatively low-impact RDF snarfing visit. Thoughts? --Rob

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PyDocuments proof of concept
by Martijn Faassen 15 Jun '99

15 Jun '99

Hi there, I've been announcing my proof of concept about DTML-esque Python in a few other posts to this list now. I've in fact posted it to the zope-dev list because it seems to belong there more than it belongs here. So if people are curious, please look at the zope-dev mailing list. Regards, Martijn

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Still trying no success
by Robert W. Canary 15 Jun '99

15 Jun '99

Well... still no succes with trying to get Zope to work. It seems to me that in order to get Zope to work I have to completely scrap my Apache and turn it into a Zope web server. I guess I am failing to see the concept here. Does Zope take over everything? I know this seems to be a strange question, but it seems from the rewrite rules that I have seen, that the only way to get Zope to work is if one configures the rewrite rule to examine and rewrite all cgi's so it will go through Zope. However, If I have a cgi-bin and I want to run a cgi from that directory then it is going to get filtered by the rewrite rule. The rewrite rule has a condition of ^/cgi-bin/Zope/(.*) and rewrites it to /home/httpd/cgi-bin/Zope/$1 according to the rewrite log (pasted below) I belive it is doing the rewrite correctly. (2) init rewrite engine with requested uri /cgi-bin/Zope/Zope.cgi/manage (3) applying pattern '^/cgi-bin/Zope/(.*)' to uri '/cgi-bin/Zope/Zope.cgi/manage' (4) RewriteCond: input='' pattern='^(.*)' => matched (2) rewrite /cgi-bin/Zope/Zope.cgi/manage -> /home/httpd/cgi-bin/Zope/Zope.cgi/manage (5) setting env variable 'HTTP_CGI_AUTHORIZATION' to '' (2) remember /home/httpd/cgi-bin/Zope/Zope.cgi/manage to have MIME-type 'application/x-httpd-cgi' (2) local path result: /home/httpd/cgi-bin/Zope/Zope.cgi/manage (1) go-ahead with /home/httpd/cgi-bin/Zope/Zope.cgi/manage [OK] (1) force filename /home/httpd/cgi-bin/Zope/Zope.cgi to have MIME-type 'application/x-httpd-cgi' I have created a var directory under the httpd directory and included everything that was under the /var/local/Zope directory, and given everything there owner:nobody group:nobody rwxrwxrwx. Yes. I altered the Zope.cgi to reflect these directory changes as well. Now the question is what does Apache do with the Zope.cgi? My access.conf includes a "<Directory /home/httpd/cgi-bin/Zope> Options ExecCGI </Directory>", and my srm.conf includes the line "ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/Zope/ /home/httpd/cgi-bin/Zope/" When I go to my browser and type http://localhost/cgi-bin/Zope/Zope.cgi I get this error: ! Temporarily Unavailable The rescource you have requested is temporarily unavailable - please try again later. (102) failure during connect Can someone tell me what this means, what cuases it? -- robert canary system services OhioCounty.Net rwcanary(a)ohiocounty.net (270)298-9331 Office (270)298-7449 Fax

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Custom rendering
by Alexander Staubo 15 Jun '99

15 Jun '99

I'd like to see a simpler way to implement custom "formatters", or "renderers" if you will. Please stop me if there exists a similar technology out there, bar structured text. If not, bear with me. Here's an example to illustrate what I need. All over my sites I have bits and pieces that should render consistently, but the HTML code needed is sufficiently complex that I prefer to relegate this code to a centralized method. Consider, for example: News In this case I might write a DTML Method that looks like this:  And which is invoked thus:  which is okay except when the Method might need some data from the common namespace, in which case I must call it like so:  or whatever. (Really, is there no way to pass the top namespace?) Anyway, if we assume that this is good practice -- the objective here is to separate style from content -- maybe we could invent the notion of a Render Method. I imagine the syntax could be something like News or, as an alternative syntax  And an example of passing arguments to the rendering method:  The Render Method could be a special object, otoh it could be just any callable object. Maybe rendering should not be limited to text, either, but any object that could be rendered by Zope. Afaik, today the only way to extend the  mechanism is to implement the method "foo" on the object "obj", and you can't easily do this with a piece of text. This is often useful, but not, I think, in the context of what seek to accomplish. -- Alexander Staubo http://www.mop.no/~alex/ "`This must be Thursday,' said Arthur to himself, sinking low over his beer, `I never could get the hang of Thursdays.'" --Douglas Adams, _The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy_

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