December 1999 - Zope

using CVS for Zope object stores?
by gyst＠nfg.nl 13 Dec '99

13 Dec '99

@nfg.nl, we're running a distributed authoring/testing setup in which everybody has their own local server and website instances. We each commit our work to the central cvs repository as it suits us, and update the public production instance of a site from the cvs repository. While this procedure can be used for jointly developing external python methods and products for zope, we desperately need a way to integrate the work that's being done on the object store, through the management interface (and some custom scripts). Right now all we can do is export/import from eachother's servers, and that just doesn't cut it. We need conflict resolution instead of overwriting a whole object tree. We need small, fast patches instead of massive file transfers. We need change logging. In short, we crave for a way to use cvs on Zope object stores. Has anybody been working on this? Has anybody come up with a more intelligent approach than diffing and patching wholesale xml exports? Do we need to wait for a different (non-monolithic) filestorage backend - is anybody working on /that/? Or did I just overlook some great feature somewhere? - that's what makes Zope so exciting, isn't it; a steep learning curve but lots of unexpected gold nuggets along the way. Just haven't found this one yet. :*CU# -- *** Guido A.J. Stevens *** mailto:gyst@nfg.nl *** *** Net Facilities Group *** tel:+31.43.3618933 *** *** http://www.nfg.nl *** fax:+31.43.3560502 *** What is the most effective Windows NT remote management tool? A car. [ISBN 0-7357-0868-1, p.35]

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Re: [Zope] Editor
by gyst＠nfg.nl 13 Dec '99

13 Dec '99

Doug McNaught <doug(a)mcnaught.org> writes: > > Preventing RSI by using xemacs via ange-ftp. And banging their heads > > on their desks, because editing a DTML method and saving it changes > > its meta type into a DTML document :-(. > > This is fixable by customizing efs-make-backup-files. You just nuke it by setting it to nil, or what? I mean, it helps, thanx, but that's a rude way of talking to my system and I was wondering, whether you might be using something more subtle than: (setq efs-make-backup-files nil) ?? :*CU# -- *** Guido A.J. Stevens *** mailto:gyst@nfg.nl *** *** Net Facilities Group *** tel:+31.43.3618933 *** *** http://www.nfg.nl *** fax:+31.43.3560502 *** Perhaps the deeper one probes and the greater one's commitment to, and dependence on, information technology, the more resistant one may become to its essence. [ISBN 0-262-03228-7, p.315]

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Re: [Zope] Ever seen this problem?
by 'Eric W. Sink' 13 Dec '99

13 Dec '99

Ian Blenke writes: > Something looks like it is attempting to walk your Zope site. The fact > that it checks for /robots.txt first shows that it is trying to play > nice. When it walks your site, it is clobbering your Zope server. > > Here is a sample robots.txt that you should use: > > User-agent: * > Disallow: / > > - Ian C. Blenke <icblenke(a)2c2.com> If your hypothesis is correct, then I concede that using such a robots.txt file would be a plausible workaround. However: 1. WHY would a Zope server go down simply because something is walking it? 2. I have run wget -r on this server quite a bit, simulating a robot, walking everything on the site. There has been no correlation between this activity and problems with the site. I therefore assert that our Zope server does NOT go down simply because something is walking it. 3. What if I want the crawlers to be able to walk my site? Perhaps I want the search engines to be indexing our content. I appreciate the suggestion, but using a robots.txt file to prevent walking seems like fixing the symptom rather than the problem. Furthermore, I'm not even convinced that this would fix the symptom, because of my experiences mentioned in point 2, above. -- Eric W. Sink, Software Craftsman SourceGear Corporation eric(a)sourcegear.com

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Re: [Zope] Editor
by Doug McNaught 13 Dec '99

13 Dec '99

gyst(a)nfg.nl (Guido A.J. Stevens) writes: > "Daniel G. Rusch" <drusch(a)globalcrossing.com> writes: > > > The question then is, what are other Zopesters doing? > > Preventing RSI by using xemacs via ange-ftp. And banging their heads > on their desks, because editing a DTML method and saving it changes > its meta type into a DTML document :-(. This is fixable by customizing efs-make-backup-files. -Doug -- Doug McNaught doug(a)mcnaught.org http://www.mcnaught.org/~doug

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RE: [Zope] Zope.org's news product
by Brian Lloyd 13 Dec '99

13 Dec '99

> A student of mine and I have been planning to put together a > ZClass-based > news posting product for our site. Squishdot and KM|Net News > are really > overkill for what we want. Really, it seems that the way news is > implemented at Zope.org is what we'd like. So, DC folks, would it be > possible to make it available? That'd save me some time. :-) Your best bet right now would be to just use SD or KM/Net for now, even if you don't use all the features. The current News component of Zope.org isn't in a form suitable for reuse and making it so would be a non-trivial effort (and would also be duplicated work, since Michel is working feverishly on the Right Answer for the Portal Toolkit - more on this RSN). Brian Lloyd brian(a)digicool.com Software Engineer 540.371.6909 Digital Creations http://www.digicool.com

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Calling PythonMethods from PythonMethods?
by Jim Harrison 13 Dec '99

13 Dec '99

Sorry to be dense--I know something similar to this was discussed on the list sometime back--but it would be helpful if someone could give me a hint on the syntax for calling a PythonMethod in an arbitrary folder from within a PythonMethod (in a different folder). Jim ________________________________________________________________________ James H. Harrison, Jr., MD, PhD University of Pittsburgh Health System C920 PUH, 200 Lothrop Street Pittsburgh, PA 15213 jhrsn(a)pop.pitt.edu | voice: 412-647-5529 | fax: 412-647-9588 "If you want sense, you'll have to make it yourself!!"-Norton Juster ________________________________________________________________________

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RE: [Zope] Conferencing Environment
by Michel Pelletier 13 Dec '99

13 Dec '99

> -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Abraham [mailto:chris@URBAN.NET] > > Go self-register and look around and tell me if this is > feasible or if it is > a pipe dream? Not at all, your application looks perfect for Zope, the catagorical breakdown on the front page is perfect for the yet unreleased ZTopics, and the linear discussion would be quite easy with the existing code. -Michel

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How can I render structured-text from PythonMethods?
by itamars＠ibm.net 13 Dec '99

13 Dec '99

I want to be able to run structured_text and newline_to_br and html_quoute - all the formatting options available in DTML - using PythonMethods. Something like: a = structured_text(self.body) is there any way to do this?

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Versions & external editor...
by Jon Prettyman 13 Dec '99

13 Dec '99

I'm a rather compulsive Emacs/Xemacs user and have been using my editor and EFS to edit my Zope objects. I'm wondering if I can edit objects within a ``Version''. Does anybody know if this is possible? Jon

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Re: [Zope] Editor
by gyst＠nfg.nl 13 Dec '99

13 Dec '99

"Daniel G. Rusch" <drusch(a)globalcrossing.com> writes: > The question then is, what are other Zopesters doing? Preventing RSI by using xemacs via ange-ftp. And banging their heads on their desks, because editing a DTML method and saving it changes its meta type into a DTML document :-(. But that's not a bug, it's a feature, since it's quite a strong argument to use real Python instead of DTML as much as you can ;-). Oh, the relief of auto-indenting syntax-highlighting python-mode (with more than just 3 keybindings [copy, cut, paste]) when you finally manage to escape from those textarea dialogs! :*CU# -- *** Guido A.J. Stevens *** mailto:gyst@nfg.nl *** *** Net Facilities Group *** tel:+31.43.3618933 *** *** http://www.nfg.nl *** fax:+31.43.3560502 ***

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