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Quickstart needs updating!
by Donald Braman 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

It's true that there is not a clear message as to where a newbie should start to learn Zope. The Zope home page has a "Learn Zope" section. When you click on More..., though, you don't find a tutorial, but a kind of "about page". If you are really smart (or lucky), you'll then click on the Zope Book link and read it cover to cover, doing all the exercises. However, it would be good to have this be explicitly stated as generically the best way to learn about Zope for those who are starting fresh. I propose a tweak to the layout for the zope.org home page, breaking out "about Zope" and "Learning Zope". Learning Zope would contain, of course, links to various introductory documents and how-tos. However, it would state up front what a newbie who wants to learn Zope should do. It might also have separate sections for non-programmers, people with programming experience, real wizards, etc. Obviously people can learn however they want, but being told "If in doubt, do/read this, then do/read this, etc." is helpful to newbies who are generally "in doubt" about what to do. BTW, I think Zope Newbies could do the same. A "Learn Zope" link or area on the top page there be very nice. -Don [Zope] Quickstart needs updating! Michel Pelletier michel(a)digicool.com Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:31:47 -0800 (PST) On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Joel Burton wrote: > On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Jeff Sasmor wrote: > > > > >>>In The Almighty Lever > > "An exiting new development being worked on for Zope is The Lever... " > > > > (I have been working with Zope for well over a year and > > still don't know what THIS is....) > > Yeeps. Never heard of it. "The Lever" is the same thing as a ZClass factory. In fact, the last chapter of the Zope book explains how you can use factories to create pre-fab templates from regular Zope objects as well as from ZClasses. That's the lever. http://www.zope.org/Members/michel/ZB/CustomZopeObjects.dtml > > >>> In "Programming Data with Tabula" Tabula became ZTables, which is the genetic predecessor of ZCatalog. > > Summary: Quickstart Really Needs to Get Updated Quickstart Really Needs to Get Axed. -Michel

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DTML Example In Zope Book
by Dave 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

As a Zope newbie, I attempted to run the little DTML Method example in the Zope book (Chap 3 - Basic Objects). This involves creating 2 DTML Methods and a Python script to input some numbers and return compounding interest data. I basically copy-pasted the code from the book into the needed methods and script, but when I run it, I continually get a NameError (Zope cannot find a var with this name) on the first variable that the script comes to when running. For example, if I access the page as in the example, I get a NameError on "interest_rate". If I remove this from the picture (remove the "interest_rate" reference from the calculateCompoundingInterest script and then access the form again, I will get a NameError on the next variable it runs into - this time "periods." I have some familiarity with Perl, but have not used Python scripting, so I have no idea where to start on troubleshooting this. But it appears to not be a script problem, but rather that the variable assignments made in the form thru the first DTML Method are not being passed to the script. Is there a syntax change that needs to be made for a newer Zope? As I said, I basically copy and pasted the code from the example since I am just beginning to learn the DTML calls. I have Zope 2.3.0 installed on a Win32 platform. Thanks for any assistance!! - Dave

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Re: [Zope] Overlap
by Dieter Maurer 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

Ron Baum writes: > I am using dtml-in's batch features and noticed that I am getting an overlap of > the last item to the top of the next batch. I changed the overlap attribute to > 0 and I still get the overlap. Is there anything else that I need to do to make > this work? I expect this is a design bug in in's batching. The "start" attribute is "1" based, i.e. if you say "start=1" the batch starts with the first element. However, "next-sequence-start-index" is "0" based. This implies, if you use "query_start=&dtml-next-sequence-start-index;" the next batch will start with the last element from the current batch. You can get rid of this by using query_start=<dtml-var "_['next-sequence-start-index'] + 1"> Of course, I think the need to do it in this weird way is stupid. "in" should define "next-sequence-start-number" (which would be "1" based)! Dieter

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Quickstart needs updating!
by Jeff Sasmor 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

Fellow Zopistas: Just a note (although this begins to sound like a rant as I read it back, sorry!) to mention how surprised I was that even given the revamped Zope look n feel in 2.3.x, the "Quickstart" seems to still need a lot of updating! Isn't it likely that the first thing a newbie would do is read this and get really confused? There are a plethora of new concepts and especially new terms that have no definitions almost anywhere without a lot of looking around. Now anyone who has used Zope for a while and/or is familiar with the history of product development at DC will know some of this stuff, but it just adds to the confusion for new users. Some examples: >>>In App development/External Methods: "Pluggable brains" (sounds cool but daunting) >>>In The Almighty Lever "An exiting new development being worked on for Zope is The Lever... " (I have been working with Zope for well over a year and still don't know what THIS is....) "Tabula or Aqueduct " (You have to dig deep to figure out what these are) >>>In Adding Object Behavior to Relational Data " With Zope and Aqueduct " "Aqueduct Database Methods" >>> In "Programming Data with Tabula" This talks some more about Aqueduct and Tabula. Again, Tabula is defined exactly nowhere, as a matter of fact, if you search for Tabula on Zope.org all you get is a footnote on this page. http://www.zope.org/Documentation/Guides/ZSQL-HTML/ZSQL.1.5.5.html Aqueduct isn't mentioned too much on Zope.org either: just in these two places, and they don't help much... http://www.zope.org/Products/DA/ZODBCDA/CHANGES.txt http://www.zope.org/Members/paul/BusinessDecision >>>In "Dropin Objects" Here we see mention of the "Aqueduct line of products" ..... nuff said on this one. And Confera: this could be changed to something newer, I was under the impression that Confera was sort of obsolete. >>>In "High Performance" and "Multi-Platform" and "SQL and HTML in Harmony" and "Multiple Data Sources" and "Multi-tiered" and "Publish Databases" More mentions of Aqueduct. "Multi-tiered" and "Databases" each has a figure that shows a block called Principia. Now you can find stuff about this on Zope.org, but it's scantly explained for such a key part of the system. And so on. Summary: Quickstart Really Needs to Get Updated Jeff Sasmor jeff(a)sasmor.com Check out http://www.naggle.com/

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Re: [Zope] Problem with JavaScript
by Dieter Maurer 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

=?iso-8859-1?Q?C=E9sar?= A. K. Grossmann writes: > I'm with a strange problem. I have some client-side JavaScripts that are > included when the page is renderized, as in > http://www.zope.org/Members/Caseman/client_script_howto, but sometimes > the page is renderized with the Javascript code in it, messing all > things. > > When this happens, I need to use the reload function of the browser > several times, until the page is correctly renderized (sometimes after > the first one, sometimes, after a lot of reloads). Feels like a browser bug. Dieter

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Re: [Zope] WebDrive vs Zope?
by Dieter Maurer 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

Joachim Werner writes: > Wolfgang Strobl wrote: > > > While reading chapter 3 of Dieter Maurers "Building Dynamic > > WebSites with Zope" (a fine piece of work, btw!) > > Where can I get Dieter Maurer's book? I am eager to get it ... It is not yet finished. You can get chapter 3 at URL:http://www.dieter.handshake.de/pyprojects/zope/book/chap3.html If you pass a little intelligence test, you can get chapters 1 and 2, too. Dieter

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RE: [Zope] How do you check if some URL is present? Eg. isactive( http://www.stoonsdesign.dk)=?
by Farrell, Troy 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

Try using a ZClient External Method http://www.zope.org/Members/lstaffor/ZClientMethod Troy -----Original Message----- From: StoonsDesign [mailto:webmaster@stoonsdesign.dk] Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 6:39 PM To: zope(a)zope.org Subject: [Zope] How do you check if some URL is present? Eg. isactive(http://www.stoonsdesign.dk)=? Can somebody please tell me how I check if an URL is active or inactive...? I am going to use this to check all the external links on my own zopeserver if they are not active I will remove them... Stoons, WebMaster @ 3D Festival http://www.3dfestival.com (Yes, that was made using Zope!) _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )

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Re: [Zope] How do I check for existence of a page?
by Dieter Maurer 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

You should not use a "dtml-in" to check for the existence of an object. You should directly check for the object: I many cases, you can use <dtml-if "_.hasattr(aq_explicit,'attrname')"> or <dtml-if "_.hasattr(object.aq_explicit,'attrname')"> to check whether the current object or "object", respectively, has attribute "attrname". In some rare cases, this can give you a "true" result, even though the object does not have an 'attrname'. A save way is an external method "baseHasAttr" defined by def baseHasAttr(object,attrname): obj= getattr(object,aq_base,object) return hasattr(obj,attrname) and a test through <dtml-if "baseHasAttr(this(),'attrname')> or <dtml-if "baseHasAttr(object,'attrname')> Dieter

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problem with isCurrentDay()
by Richard Bartels 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

Hi all, I seem to be having a date problem today. I have a variable which is set to the bobobase_modification_time of dtml documents. I then do date.isCurrentDay() on it and it is returning true for 02/01/01 instead of 03/01/01. It is not returning true for 03/01/01. Anybody else notice this. Zope 2.2.4 on Solaris 2.8. Thanks Rick Bartels Consulting Systems Engineer Bank of America ------------------------------------------------------------ --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/

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Lists in DTML?
by Lars Heber 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

Hi there, once again... I'd like to use the tree tag. But I don't want it to go through all folders, but to stop when let's say a special property is set. Thus I have to write an own method with returns a list of objects which are then displayed and formatted by the tree tag. I want to know if there is a possibility to let a DTML method return such a list or is it absolutely necessary to learn Python? Is there a possibility at all to return a value from a DTML method? TIA -- Lars Heber, mailto:Lars.Heber@t-systems.de TTTTTT TT T-Systems, debis Systemhaus GEI GmbH O TT O O O TT

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