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RE: [Zope] FYI: Portal Toolkit Slides and Demo available
by Martijn Pieters 13 Jun '99

13 Jun '99

At 21:29 10-6-99 , Paul Everitt wrote: >Hmm, I'm surprised that you'd advocate automatic reloading, as it would >(at a minimum) stat a file on each request. Do you think it should be >an optional knob to specify whether to check for changes? If so, what >should be the default? > Off, and on when in debugging mode.. Oops, the CVS version already does this =) I also like the -D flag to z2.py. Now all we need is a interactive DTML debugger through the web. >> 2) A fair amount of source code reading is still required, and >> Zope is so full of cutting-edge Python technique that it's not easy >> even for a long-time Python like me; for a new Python user, it would >> be deadly. I didn't have too much trouble with it. Went from zilch python knowledge to a fair grasp of Zope (and bothering the DC people with patches) in about two weeks. >Would better documentation help? For instance, we intend, once Zope2 >has landed, to begin the process of doing a UML model for all of Zope. >We are already doing it for all new work. This includes many of the >diagrams, including use cases. How helpful would that be? UML's will help clarifying and understanding what I find in the source. Saves some grepping and debugging steps. >Farther out, we'd like to look at moving to Jim's "interfaces" proposal >that was mostly agreed to at SPAM Houston. If we did (and then lived by >it :^), how much would that help? If all Zope developers lived by it, it would definitly help. The Ptree protocol file (now gone in the CVS, I think) helped me understand the #tree tag. >I agree that debugging DTML is maddingly hard. In fact, I think about >this probably fifty times a day. I sure hope, after Zope2 comes out, we >step back and think HARD about things like usability. See above remark on the interactive debugger. Not too hard to do, but we'll need multithreading to keep the rest of Zope moving. Oh, Zope 2 has that. > >I presume by the leading part of the question that you would feel more >comfortable doing your processing in Python than all-DTML. If Zope had >a "Python Method" object, perhaps only usable by VERY privileged users, >perhaps only in the Control Panel (say, in a Product), would that help? Only when someone with system level access has turned this on! It should be off for many hosting sites, me thinks. >Heh heh, if I had a dime for the number of alpha volunteers for the >portal toolkit :^) I'll give you a dollar? -- Martijn Pieters, Web Developer | Antraciet http://www.antraciet.nl | Tel: +31-35-7502100 Fax: +31-35-7502111 | mailto:mj@antraciet.nl http://www.antraciet.nl/~mj | PGP: http://wwwkeys.nl.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xA8A32149 ------------------------------------------

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Re: [Zope] var rendering question
by Tony McDonald 13 Jun '99

13 Jun '99

> After two and a half weeks of tinkering with Zope, I have decided > that I will ditch my conventional web technology for this new alien > technology. It has already rewired half my brain, so I might as well > go for a complete rewiring job. You sure you guys at DC aren't from > another planet? ;-) > As another recent immigrant, welcome to planet Zope. If you think your brain is rewired now, wait till you experience the 'lightbulb effect' of acquisition! :) > Insterad of trying to explain this in words, below is a quick snippet > of code illustrating the problem. > > FRAMESET: > > <frameset> > <frame target=title src=> > ... > </frameset> > > > TABLESET: > > <table> > <tr> > <td colspan=2> >  > </td> > </tr> > ... > </table> > I think you need to do a level of indirection to get to your goal. In the first instance (frameset) you want the contents of title_src. You get that via  (as you said). In the second instance, you want the contents of the variable whose name is given by the value of title_src (I think that you should make title_src a property BTW). something like <table> <tr> <td colspan=2>  </td> ... </tr> </table> should work - well it did on my box! :) This is from Amos' guide to Advanced DTML (don't let the title put you off though). Available at http://www.zope.org/Documentation/HowTo/DTML HTH tone.

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RE: [Zope] encoding strings for CGI
by Alexander Staubo 13 Jun '99

13 Jun '99

Simple. To URL encode "foo", just do:  -- Alexander Staubo http://www.mop.no/~alex/ "What the hell, he thought, you're only young once, and threw himself out of the window. That would at least keep the element of surprise on his side." --Douglas Adams, _The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy_ >-----Original Message----- >From: zope-admin(a)zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of >Graham Chiu >Sent: 13. juni 1999 07:51 >To: zope(a)zope.org >Subject: [Zope] encoding strings for CGI > > >I have a query which produces a table whereby I wish to click on each >cell, and drill down further to another report. > >The relevant string is > ><td><a href=showClassReport?manu=</a></td> > >but it fails if Manufacturer has a space in it. > >Is there a DTML method of CGI encoding Manufacturer? > >------- >Regards, Graham Chiu >gchiu<at>compkarori.co.nz > >_______________________________________________ >Zope maillist - Zope(a)zope.org >http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > >(For developer-specific issues, use the companion list, >zope-dev(a)zope.org - http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) >

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encoding strings for CGI
by Graham Chiu 13 Jun '99

13 Jun '99

I have a query which produces a table whereby I wish to click on each cell, and drill down further to another report. The relevant string is <td><a href=showClassReport?manu=</a></td> but it fails if Manufacturer has a space in it. Is there a DTML method of CGI encoding Manufacturer? ------- Regards, Graham Chiu gchiu<at>compkarori.co.nz

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Explicitly avoiding acquisition?
by Alexander Staubo 13 Jun '99

13 Jun '99

Is there a simple way to explicitly avoid a folder subobject to be acquired? That is to say, I'd like to find a given object in some folder, but not implicitly acquired through a parent folder. I guess I can write a External Method implementing a function that brute-force searches the list returned by objectValues() for the object, but this is potentially "slow", at least compared to a dictionary lookup. Is the latter a possibility? -- Alexander Staubo http://www.mop.no/~alex/ "What the hell, he thought, you're only young once, and threw himself out of the window. That would at least keep the element of surprise on his side." --Douglas Adams, _The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy_

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ANN: Two openings in this week's training class
by Paul Everitt 13 Jun '99

13 Jun '99

Howdy all. Two of our government friends had to go out of town at the last minute, freeing up a pair of seats in this week's (Wed-Fri) Zope training course in McLean, VA. If anyone is interested, please let me know. --Paul

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New Squishdot maintenance release : 0.1.3
by Squishdot 12 Jun '99

12 Jun '99

Hi ya all, I issued a maintenance release (ver 0.1.3) for Squishdot to fix a nagging bug requiring Anonymous users to authenticate whenever the fancy demo mode was used. I also cleaned up some of the code/messages. You can find more details at the Squishdot home page: http://members.tripod.com/squishdot/index.html Best regards, === Butch Landingin Squishdot maintainer http://members.tripod.com/squishdot/index.html squishdot(a)yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [Zope] SunOS problems
by Tony McDonald 12 Jun '99

12 Jun '99

> Hello all > > I have downloaded the newly released Zope-1.10.3b1 and tried to install it > on a SunOS 5.6 box (My first ever contact with a Sun machine!). I > downloaded Python-1.5.2 as well. they both compiled successfully and Zope > seems to start up ok. However whenever I try to access the Zope site I > get: > > Unhandled exception in thread: > Traceback (innermost last): > File > "/export/home/yifan/pavlos/Zope-1.10.3b1-src/ZServer/PubCore/ZServerPublishe r.py", > line 95, in __init__ > response=response) > TypeError: unexpected keyword argument: request > > I am using the latest release of ZServer and the accompanied patched > ZPublisher. > > Any clues?? > > Pavlos Sorry I can't help Pavlos, But that is *exactly* what happened to me with our SunOS 5.6 box. I thought it had something to do with shared libraries, but that was as far as I got (I was struggling with a corrupted Database at the time). I'd really like to try out ZServer on SunOS 5.6 and SunOS 5.7 (which is where I'll be hosting it) though, so if anyone has *any* clue....cheers. tone,

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ANNOUNCE: Zope 1.10.3 beta 1 released
by Brian Lloyd 12 Jun '99

12 Jun '99

Hi all, Digital Creations is pleased to announce the availability of Zope 1.10.3b1. http://www.zope.org/Download/Releases/Zope-1.10.3b1/ This release fixes a number of bugs including a significant memory leak that was introduced in 1.10.0 (this is the main reason for this release). It also includes a few new DTML tag features. For more details please see the change log at: http://www.zope.org/Download/Releases/Zope-1.10.3b1/Changes We are calling this a beta because it is fairly lightly tested (though not much has changed in this release vs. 1.10.2). We will wait a few days and make sure no one is running into unexpected problems before declaring it 1.10.3 final. Have fun, and don't forget to file your bug reports at http://www.zope.org/Collector Brian Lloyd brian(a)digicool.com Software Engineer 540.371.6909 Digital Creations http://www.digicool.com

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Knowing enough to get into trouble
by Zope on a Rope 12 Jun '99

12 Jun '99

I've learned a bunch about Zope after scanning all the messages that come in -- this list is ripe with smart people! Thank you all for sharing what you know. That said, it's still populated with one dumbo who isn't too good at applying the bones tossed my way. I still have a little problem that I'd like to get to the bottom of. I've got a mildly modified tree control that I stole from Zbook that does everything a tree should do. I've also got at least one folder I'd like to hide from the tree. Right now I'm just hiding a folder programatically by starting its title with 'zzz'.  ... show the tree So far, so good. It doesn't show up on the tree display. But I'm one of those anal retentives that likes to keep things tidy. I'd like to create a sub directory to hold my images, etc., and if I nest the folders, the little +/- sign shows up. If the folder title starts with 'zzz', it even hides the folder but shows a heirarchy of +/- gizmos. It was suggested that I add 'skip_unauthorized=1' to my tree but I couldn't get that to work. I went to my resources folder, went to security and unchecked "Acquire permission settings?". That didn't work for me as the unauthenticate user was prompted with an auth box. I'd like to be able to show/hide other items, too. So if somebody can cattle prod me into getting the latter to work, I'd be grateful. Heck, I'll even write the experience up for ZDP if they'll accept my words and spaces! Cheers, Jules

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