May 2000 - Zope-Dev - Zope lists

Re: [Zope-dev] Warning! TransparentFolders and ZClasses
by Jason Spisak 05 May '00

05 May '00

Shane Hathaway: > Jason Spisak wrote: > > Thank you for the heads up! I was going to mail you this morning anyway. > > What are the potential drawbacks to having all forlders be > > TransparentFolders? > > A reasonable question, but other than the fact that every object lookup > would look through every folder on the entire system, making Zope > entirely useless once you have more than a few objects, there are no > drawbacks at all. ;^) > Nasty pointy teeth. How is this different from having the 30,000 objects that I have in one of my instace folders? All my best, Jason Spisak CIO HireTechs.com 6151 West Century Boulevard Suite 900 Los Angeles, CA 90045 P. 310.665.3444 F. 310.665.3544 Under US Code Title 47, Sec.227(b)(1)(C), Sec.227(a)(2)(B) This email address may not be added to any commercial mail list with out my permission. Violation of my privacy with advertising or SPAM will result in a suit for a MINIMUM of $500 damages/incident, $1500 for repeats.

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links
by cybermalandro＠hushmail.com 05 May '00

05 May '00

O.k I am really new to Zope. And I want to do the following. First I am running Zope in NT (believe me I rather us Linux but my boss doesn't want to). I want to create an object let's say links which will contain a set of links with properties such as link_target, frame_target so I can then use a predefined DTML and for each link on links print the links. I also want to build a form so people can enter this links. How can I do this? is there a porduct or zclass out there I can use? I would appreciate your help. cybermalandro IMPORTANT NOTICE: If you are not using HushMail, this message could have been read easily by the many people who have access to your open personal email messages. Get your FREE, totally secure email address at http://www.hushmail.com.

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ZCatalog: Searching by title & keyword
by Mark Davies 05 May '00

05 May '00

Hi, I'm trying to get a catalog set up to search DTML Documents, FAQ Entries, KB Entries, & HOW-TO's by both a word in the title, and a word in the document. This needs to be in a one-piece submission, not two separate text boxes. I can get either-or for the DTML documents, but not for the FAQ, KB, or HOW-TO entries. Can anybody give me some advice on how this is done? Thanks, ------------------------------------------------- Mark Davies Workfire Development Corporation email: mdavies(a)workfire.com

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Version -> Version Control System??
by Jerry Spicklemire 05 May '00

05 May '00

It's not Python, but a highly developed OO revision management algorithm is now Open Source, in the form of the Xanadu project. www.udanax.com Some may balk at adapting a product 30 years in the making, and never shipped. Presents a bit of a challenge in the fortitude area, but there may be some inspiration there, at least. Later, Jerry S.

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RE: [Zope-dev] Development or stable
by Brian Lloyd 05 May '00

05 May '00

> Originally, Zope was distributed in two versions, stable and unstable, > right ? Why is it that you've gone away from this approach? I've > seen lots of bug postings relating to new or changed > features; isn't the > linux-kernel versioning system better/smarter/easier to understand? That was done during the alpha/beta transition period to Zope 2.0, mainly due to the core architectural changes and the need to get wide usage of the 2.0 code from bleeding-edge folks while still being able to provide incremental updates for people who (understandably) could not use the unstable code, since the alpha/ beta period lasted a fairly long time. While this sort of thing may happen whenever we go from 2.x -> 3.0, the general Zope release policy is that there is one current stable release, and those who want to live on the edge can use remote CVS if they so choose. Your point about seeing lots of posts about bugs fixed and new features is well taken -- we have recently solved some of the internal operational roadblocks that tended to hold up releases. Starting very soon, we will be able to provide much more frequent and regular stable releases than we have in the past, so there will be far less lag time in getting these fixes/features out. Brian Lloyd brian(a)digicool.com Software Engineer 540.371.6909 Digital Creations http://www.digicool.com

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RE: [Zope-dev] Version -> Version Control System??
by Brian Lloyd 05 May '00

05 May '00

> Well, to be more accurate, I think the way the ZODB does this > now is about 60% > of the way there. Unfortunately, the last 40% (revision > numbers, branches, > cehckouts, etc) could be a real bitch to do. > > Comments anyone? Yes, they could be a real bitch :^) For those interested, you might take a look at the WebDAV DeltaV project - it is taking up the task of "web based versioning and configuration management" that the initial DAV group punted on. Their draft spec points out many of the issues involved. In fact, one of our hopes was that by the time we needed real CM / version control in Zope that someone else like DeltaV would have solved many of the hairy problems (for some definition of "solved"). This would allow us to avoid reinventing wheels and possibly give us the side benefit of supporting Delta-V directly with trivial effort if their architecture seems like a good fit. http://www.webdav.org/deltav/ Brian Lloyd brian(a)digicool.com Software Engineer 540.371.6909 Digital Creations http://www.digicool.com

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Save As ...
by Juan Javier Carrera Obrero 05 May '00

05 May '00

Hello, I would like to use a link for saving the active document (.html file generated with a dtml-document) for Netscape. Anybody knows to how to do it (without press CTRL-S, or not go File / Save As) with Zope or using JavaScript ? I know it for Microsoft Internet Explorer: var WebBrowser = '<OBJECT ID="WebBrowser1" WIDTH=0 HEIGHT=0 CLASSID="CLSID:8856F961-340A-11D0-A96B-00C04FD705A2"></OBJECT>'; document.body.insertAdjacentHTML('beforeEnd', WebBrowser); WebBrowser1.ExecWB(4, 0); WebBrowser1.outerHTML = ""; However, it does not run in Nestscape. Anybody can help me ? Thanks. JUAN JAVIER CARRERA OBRERO e-mail: jcarrera(a)uco.es

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Version -> Version Control System??
by Thomas Weholt 05 May '00

05 May '00

Hi, Looked at the version feature of Zope. All nice and good. But it would be great, cool etc. to have a version control system like RCS, CVS integrated in Zope. Each time a document is changed a version number is incremented and a backup or differences are stored etc. On a larger scale this would be required. Cannot see that this would be impossible to implement, though I cannot do it myself, since I`m a Zope newbie. ;-> Anyhow, just an idea. Thomas

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Development or stable
by Morten W. Petersen 05 May '00

05 May '00

Originally, Zope was distributed in two versions, stable and unstable, right ? Why is it that you've gone away from this approach? I've seen lots of bug postings relating to new or changed features; isn't the linux-kernel versioning system better/smarter/easier to understand? -Morten

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RE: [Zope-dev] Adding your own (complex) data types to property p ages: example and problems...nd problems...
by Mike Fletcher 05 May '00

05 May '00

Apparently I wasn't very clear. My intention was to develop this in Python (I've created a grand total of 1 ZClass so far in my life, and that was solely to figure out how to add properties to my python code :) ). Note: I already implemented everything I need personally as a Python module and went on with my work :) . In reading the interfaces Wiki, it seems as though there is an artificial distinction between PropertyManager and PropertySheet-based objects. For instance, my current project has defined a PropertyManager-like interface base class using the PropertySheet interfaces, so that from that base class either mechanism can be used. >From this point, it is a fairly trivial idea to consider replacing the original PropertyManager mechanism with a PropertySheets-based mechanism (keeping the same interface and semantics as PropertyManager) (the advantage to this is to allow all PropertyManager objects to use the more advanced property types and support mechanisms, while reducing the total amount of code). The question of how to implement/re-implement PropertySheets, seems to be the most important one. A global registry works, but is limited. Allowing for simple sub-classing of PropertySheets and using, for instance, attribute lookup on the individual PropertySheet would work, and allows for locally relevant data types, customised input for individual sheet types etc. The problem with this approach is that the workings of the PropertySheet class have suddenly become something which must be understood to work with custom data types (that is, one more piece of information to add to the Zen of Zope (this is, compared to the total Zen, not huge, but the mental load of grokking Zope is already quite high)). RIPP looks capable, but is currently very young, and will not likely support creating a PropertyManager/PropertySheet interface. This is probably "the future", but is not likely to support "the past". Incidentally, knowing about the Wiki would have been a great help these last few months. Why is the interfaces Wiki table of contents not linked directly off the documentation page? And why are Wiki's not indexed (do a search on www.zope.org for PropertyManager and you only come up with one reference). Sure, indexing a Wiki might be intensive, but the information is, well, important :) . I will consider creating a new Wiki, though I am rather short of time (too long spent spelunking the depths of Zope). It might be simpler to provide another implementation (using PropertySheet attribute look up instead of a global registry) and solicit comments on that. Enjoy yourself, Mike -----Original Message----- From: Michel Pelletier [mailto:michel@digicool.com] Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 11:21 PM To: Mike Fletcher Cc: Zope Development (E-mail) Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] Adding your own (complex) data types to property pages: example and problems...nd problems... ... I think it would be better to develop objects like this in Python. There is no clear benefit to using ZClasses for this. There is a clear benefit in using a ZClass to provide a user interface and subclasses a very specialized Python class that does all the heavy lifting. ... Doing this right would require some deep discussion. I suggest creating a Wiki on the zope site and soliciting comments. You may want to review the Interfaces Wiki first, particulary some very recent documentation written by Brian Lloyd. http://www.zope.org/Members/michel/Projects/Interfaces/Properties Let us know how useful this documentation is for you. -Michel

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