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Re: [Zope-dev] Best way to email a newsletter to thousands of recipients from a Zope site Zope site
by Itai Tavor 26 Nov '99

26 Nov '99

Patrick Phalen wrote: > [Itai Tavor, on Wed, 24 Nov 1999] > :: Hi, > :: > :: I need to add a newsletter feature to a Zope site. Interested people > :: will be able to register their email addresses, and the newsletter > :: will be mailed to all addresses every 1-2 weeks. The number of > :: recipients could potentially have 4 zeroes in it (and no, it won't be > :: 0000). > :: > :: What would be the best way to do the mailing? Use mailhost with a > :: very long recipient list? Call mailhost once for every recipient? Use > :: some external tool to do the mailing? > > I think I've looked at everything available and am convinced that Dan > Bernstein's qmail/ezmlm offer the best performance, security and ease of > maintenance. Have a look at www.qmail.org and www.ezmlm.org (qmail is > the MTA and ezmlm the mailing list manager -- they work hand in hand). > > You can run a dedicated list server with the qmail/ezmlm combo on a > castoff 486 machine under Linux and it will be plenty fast enough for > your needs. I think both apache.org and redhat.com still handle all > their mail on low-end Pentiums with qmail. > > I administer 20 mailing lists this way and never have to touch them. What I need is quite different from what a mailing list program like ezmlm or Mailman does - The newsletter is one-way only - no user submissions, no question/reply threads. - I need full control over the format of the newsletter - can't just email entries to the list manager. - Users can only register and de-register, so I don't need user-accessible configuration screens. - This site will eventually get a user registration system for customizing the interface (Portal Toolkit?), and I'd like to use the same registration interface for the newsletter. So if I wanted to use a mailing list program, I think I'd have to do a lot of work to force it into my desired frame: My Zope registration code will have to register users with the mailing list. Then I'd have to email each news item to the mailing list so it gets included in the next digest. And I'd have to hack the program code to control the digest format. Looks like a whole lot of work trying to force an inappropriate tool to do what I want. The only part of a mailing list system I really need is the bulk mailer. I need to do the user registration inside Zope anyway. And the content gets generated by Zope so I don't need the mailing program to format it. I just need something that can deliver a message to 10,000 recipients quickly and efficiently, and has support for suspension of recipients that bounce too often. Is anybody familiar with Mailman or ezmlm enough to tell me how hard it would be to bypass all the mailing list handling functions and get straight to the bulk mailer? Or, is there a standalone bulk mailer program I can use? One other thing: This site is hosted on a dedicated server in a web farm (yes, I'm 100% buzzword compliant), and I would need a very good reason to justify getting a second server. Since my newsletter won't receive email and will only mail out once a week, can I expect to get by with running it on the main server? Or will mailing out 10,000 messages at once kill the Zope server performance for an hour every time? Thanks Itai -- Itai Tavor -- "Je sautille, donc je suis." -- itavor(a)vic.bigpond.net.au -- - Kermit the Frog -- -- "What he needs now is understanding... and a confederate victory" -- -- Dr. Jacobi, Twin Peaks --

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ZCatalog help?
by Victor.Zhai＠ogilvy.com 26 Nov '99

26 Nov '99

Hi ,all Some promblerm need you help. I want to Use catalog to display sub folder of current object. <dtml-in "catalog(meta_type=['Folder'],id='content')"> <dtml-let path1="catalog.getpath(data_record_id_)"> /* I want to display the folder of current directory named content */ <dtml-call "REQUEST.set ('path','http://nokia.ogilvy.com.cn:8080/news/content/index.html')"> <dtml-var path> <dtml-call path> .... /* Want to display http://.../index.html in current screen */ <a href="<dtml-var "catalog.getpath(data_record_id_)">"><dtml-var title></a> /* This can work but I must click the "content" */ </dtml-let> </dtml-in> Thanks in advance. Victor zhai. "WorldSecure Server <ogilvy.com>" made the following annotations on 11/26/99 02:19:55 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer does not consent to email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of the Ogilvy Group shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. ==============================================================================

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Australian time zones?
by Benno Rice 26 Nov '99

26 Nov '99

Does Zope's DateTime class know about Australian timezones? I did a grep through lib/python/DateTime/DateTimeZone.py and didn't get any results. If they're not there, how can I add them? -- Benno Rice "No, no. We're *sweet* and XNFP Aries Dark Subculture- *innocent* evil bastards." friendly Internet Geek benno(a)netizen.com.au "Defend your joy"

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Copy and paste is not working in custom folder product
by Martijn Faassen 26 Nov '99

26 Nov '99

Hi there, I've created a custom folder which has some addable products defined inside it. When I add such a product and try to copy and paste it, I get this traceback: The object test does not support this operation Traceback (innermost last): File /home/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 214, in publish_module File /home/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 179, in publish File /home/zope/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 201, in zpublisher_exception_hook File /home/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 165, in publish File /home/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, in mapply (Object: manage_pasteObjects) File /home/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 102, in call_object (Object: manage_pasteObjects) File /home/zope/lib/python/OFS/CopySupport.py, line 199, in manage_pasteObjects File /home/zope/lib/python/OFS/CopySupport.py, line 374, in _verifyObjectPaste Copy Error: (see above) The folderish product derives from ObjectManager. The addable products derive from OFS.SimpleItem.Item, Persistent, Acquisition.Implicit, AccessControl.Role.RoleManager Note that these addable products do have an extra object set inside them. Should this one somehow define copysupport as well? Anybody have any clue why copy and paste is not working? What should I investigate? If this post contains too little information I'll just release my code with this bug next week so people can study it then. :) Regards, Martijn

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type() in DTML or/and in Python Method?
by Ava 25 Nov '99

25 Nov '99

Hello, I wonder why the builtin function type() is not available, neither from DTML nor from products like PythonMethod ? Could the use of such a function be a security problem? For example, it is impossible to know if a variable holds a list or a tuple or a string from DTML. I wrote a PythonMethod to do just that: ---------8<---------- return type(value)==type([]) ---------8<---------- But that didn't work either. So I ended up writing this PythonMethod: ---------8<---------- try: value+[] # if it throws an exception, value is not of type 'list' except: return 0 return 1 ---------8<---------- Sometimes, it is not desirable to write an external method, and in such circumstances, one feel like doing simple things in a simple manner... :-) note that i am mostly interested by the security implication caused by the use of the type function. Solving my "problem" is not important right now. Regards, Jephte CLAIN minf7(a)educ.univ-reunion.fr PS: please post any answer to minf7(a)educ.univ-reunion.fr instead of ava(a)dde974.equipement.gouv.fr Also, I'm not on the list yet, so if you could cc me any answer...

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deleting standard_html_header
by Thilo Mezger 25 Nov '99

25 Nov '99

hi, does anybody know why i can't delete standard_html_{header,footer,error} ? i get an error message "standard_html_header does not support this action" or something. i suppose that this object is somehow "protected" so that i can't delete it because it is vitally important to the system. any idea how i could remove this delete protection? thilo -- mezger(a)innominate.de innominate AG networking people fon: +49.30.308806-11 fax: -77 web: http://innominate.de pgp: /pgp/tm

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Calling DTML methods from Python
by Itamar Shtull-Trauring 25 Nov '99

25 Nov '99

I want to run manage_tabs from a PythonMethod. So I do request = self.manage_tabs(_.None, _) but now manage_tabs doesn't know who filtered_manage_tabs is. So how do I call a dtml method so that it knows where it is and works correctly? -- Itamar S.T. itamars(a)ibm.net

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Re: [Zope] P SQL Input Wizard and Zope 2.01
by Bill Anderson 25 Nov '99

25 Nov '99

CC-ed to Zope list, as far as I can see, it is the appropriate list?) Darcy Clark wrote: > > I am learning Z SQL methods and thought that the P SQL Input Wizard > might be a useful product to play with, since the Z SQL User Guide > doesn't really cover inserts and updates. Unfortunately it don't work > with my install of Zope 2.01/Linux. The product installs ok, and the > wizard runs up until the point when the methods are created, then I get > a Zope error : ... >Error Type: NameError >Error Value: Products > Errors with this product and Zope2.01 have been flagged before on the > list, and several fixes have been promoted ....unfortunately, none of > the fixes worked for me [see http://www.egroups.com/mboxsearch?query=PSQL&what=frame&listname=zope] > > Anyone got this product working with Zope2.01/Linux? > > thanks for any help, > > Darcy Though not truly helpful, none of them worked for me either :-( I am still getting ye ole manage_addZSQLMethod attribute (name?) error :-( btw, this is on 2.1b as well. Bill -- "They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown." -- Carl Sagan

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RE: [Zope-dev] dtml: "where am I? who am I?"
by Michel Pelletier 24 Nov '99

24 Nov '99

> -----Original Message----- > From: Lalo Martins [mailto:lalo@webcom.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 3:41 PM > To: zope-dev(a)zope.org > Subject: [Zope-dev] dtml: "where am I? who am I?" > > > Is there a way for a method (dtml or python, whatever) to know > its location? Say: > > foo (folder) > +--- bar (folder) > | +--- my_method (DTML|python method) > +--- gee (folder) > +--- index_html > > if gee/index_html calls my_method, it doesn't know it's inside > ``bar'' so it messes up any relative URL it spits. I think what your looking for is the containment path of the object, not the acquisition path. If you use acquisition, you'll have to deal with the fact that the objects 'path' depends on how it is acquired. In your example, if gee/index_html called my_method, then its aq_parent is 'gee' not 'bar'. This is the correct behavior. If you want to find an objects *containment* parent, then you have to do 'object.aq_inner.aq_parent'. You cannot get 'aq_inner' from DTML, I can't think of any good reason why not, but security would have to be carefully thought out. -Michel

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Re: [Zope-dev] Re: mozilla and zope, update.
by Anthony Baxter 24 Nov '99

24 Nov '99

>>> Evan Simpson wrote > Itamar Shtull-Trauring wrote: > > > Jens Vagelpohl wrote: > > > > > > hi guys, > > > > > > how come when i enter the management pages using M11 the right pane will > > > show the default method of whichever folder i click on in the left side > > > pane..? > > > > I've had the same problem in kfm, and in w3m (coolest text browser around - > > it supports tables and you can it with a mouse!). > > I think that all of these browsers fail to properly pass authentication > information to framed pages, so manage_main is filtered out of the method list > consulted by manage_workspace. You may also notice them asking you to login > multiple times under some circumstances because of this. Yep, this is the cause. See the post I made yesterday - snapshots of mozilla since a few days ago have a fix for this. Without this fix, the zope mgmt interface is not usable. Anthony -- Anthony Baxter <anthony(a)interlink.com.au> It's never too late to have a happy childhood.

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