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How individual package versions are used in a release?
by Dmitry Vasiliev 06 Feb '08

06 Feb '08

Hi All! I've just updated Russian translation at zope.app.locales and notice tags for all previous releases of the package. The question is should I create new tag (and update setup.py or something) for the package to be included into the next Zope 3 release? Links to a release politics for individual packages is greatly appreciated. -- Dmitry Vasiliev <dima at hlabs.spb.ru> http://hlabs.spb.ru

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Zope Tests: 6 OK
by Zope Tests Summarizer 06 Feb '08

06 Feb '08

Summary of messages to the zope-tests list. Period Tue Feb 5 12:00:00 2008 UTC to Wed Feb 6 12:00:00 2008 UTC. There were 6 messages: 6 from Zope Unit Tests. Tests passed OK --------------- Subject: OK : Zope-2.7 Python-2.3.6 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Tue Feb 5 21:04:31 EST 2008 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2008-February/009065.html Subject: OK : Zope-2.8 Python-2.3.6 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Tue Feb 5 21:06:01 EST 2008 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2008-February/009066.html Subject: OK : Zope-2.9 Python-2.4.4 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Tue Feb 5 21:07:31 EST 2008 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2008-February/009067.html Subject: OK : Zope-2.10 Python-2.4.4 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Tue Feb 5 21:09:01 EST 2008 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2008-February/009068.html Subject: OK : Zope-2.11 Python-2.4.4 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Tue Feb 5 21:10:31 EST 2008 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2008-February/009069.html Subject: OK : Zope-trunk Python-2.4.4 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Tue Feb 5 21:12:02 EST 2008 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2008-February/009070.html

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Re: [Checkins] SVN: zope.server/trunk/s fix of 599 error on conflict error in request
by Christian Theune 06 Feb '08

06 Feb '08

Hi, Adam Groszer schrieb: > Log message for revision 83382: > fix of 599 error on conflict error in request > see: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2008-January/030844.html > > Changed: > U zope.server/trunk/setup.py > U zope.server/trunk/src/zope/server/ftp/publisher.py > > -=- > Modified: zope.server/trunk/setup.py > =================================================================== > --- zope.server/trunk/setup.py 2008-02-01 15:08:00 UTC (rev 83381) > +++ zope.server/trunk/setup.py 2008-02-01 15:19:32 UTC (rev 83382) > @@ -30,10 +30,10 @@ > long_description=open('README.txt').read(), > > packages=find_packages('src'), > - package_dir = {'': 'src'}, > + package_dir = {'': 'src'}, > > namespace_packages=['zope',], > - > + > tests_require = ['zope.testing', > 'zope.i18n', > 'zope.component'], > @@ -41,7 +41,8 @@ > 'zope.interface', > 'zope.publisher', > 'zope.security', > - 'zope.deprecation'], > + 'zope.deprecation', > + 'ZODB3'], > include_package_data = True, > zip_safe = False, > entry_points = """ Please try to avoid mixing mixing checkins with different purposes. This whitespace change should be a separate checkin. > Modified: zope.server/trunk/src/zope/server/ftp/publisher.py > =================================================================== > --- zope.server/trunk/src/zope/server/ftp/publisher.py 2008-02-01 15:08:00 UTC (rev 83381) > +++ zope.server/trunk/src/zope/server/ftp/publisher.py 2008-02-01 15:19:32 UTC (rev 83382) > @@ -51,7 +51,7 @@ > return self._execute(path, 'ls', split=False, filter=filter) > > def readfile(self, path, outstream, start=0, end=None): > - return self._execute(path, 'readfile', > + return self._execute(path, 'readfile', > outstream=outstream, start=start, end=end) > > def lsinfo(self, path): > @@ -108,9 +108,12 @@ > > # Note that publish() calls close() on request, which deletes the > # response from the request, so that we need to keep track of it. > - response = request.response > - publish(request) > - return response.getResult() > + # agroszer: 2008.feb.1.: currently the above seems not to be true > + # request will KEEP the response on close() > + # even more if a retry occurs in the publisher, > + # the response will be LOST, so we must accept the returned request > + request = publish(request) > + return request.response.getResult() Same comment as previously, please avoid this style of annotation. Also, it doesn't look like the issue is actually finally resolved as you say `seems`. SVN tracks who edited what and when, the statement of your name and the change date isn't necessary. Again, a test case is missing. Please review your other related checkins as well. Christian -- gocept gmbh & co. kg - forsterstrasse 29 - 06112 halle (saale) - germany www.gocept.com - ct(a)gocept.com - phone +49 345 122 9889 7 - fax +49 345 122 9889 1 - zope and plone consulting and development

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pinning, nailing and kgs'ing
by Kevin Teague 05 Feb '08

05 Feb '08

I wanted to try using the snowsprint-viewlets2 branch of grok in my project the other day. It took me a little time to figure out how to do this, so I thought it'd be nice if there was a bit of documentation on how-to pull in a development version of Grok into a grok project, so I wrote this: http://grok.zope.org/documentation/how-to/trail-blazing (I've configured the Grok site to allow OpenId for authentication, and granted the View and Reply to Item permissions to documentation that is in the "Waiting for Review" state, which means you need to log-in to see the document, but that anyone can log-in, which seems like a decent compromise for unreviewed documentation on the Grok site which is potentially incorrect.) The part where I was fuzzy in the documentation process was the terminology for Known Good Sets. There are Grok releases such as "Grok 0.11" which has been called "pinned versions" (or "nailed versions") and when writting my help doc I've been calling this a "Known Good Set". I would propose this definition for Known Good Set: Known Good Set : A frozen set of Python egg names and version numbers that have been tested to work together. This set of eggs is also available from an archive maintained by the publisher of the known good set. For Grok this would be: http://grok.zope.org/releaseinfo/grok-0.11.cfg and the eggs are archived at: http://download.zope.org/distribution/ (at least that's my understanding of the Grok releases, maybe I don't have that quite right ... ) However, the Zope 3.4 release announcement varies a bit from my understanding of Grok-centric understanding of Known Good Set: "The known good set -- or in short KGS -- is a package index that derives from the official Python Package Index (PyPI) and thus contains all available packages in the Python world. But for a controlled set of packages, only certain versions that are known to work together are available. " This is the part that seems a bit confusing to me, since it's not clear if the "set" also includes the super-set of packages from PyPI. It's also not clear if the super-set of all PyPI packages is also a continually updated mirror, or a frozen index. Or is the known good set just the controlled set of packages? It's also not entirely clear on how maintenance releases happen with Zope 3.4 from this, e.g. one could interpret the contents of the versions.cfg URL as either "frozen" (Zope 3.4.0-final) or "latest". For maintenance releases would there be: http://download.zope.org/zope3.4/versions.cfg http://download.zope.org/zope3.4.1/versions.cfg http://download.zope.org/zope3.4.2/versions.cfg Or if this URL will always contain the latest stable packages in the 3.4 series then perhaps this should be more explicit with an URL such as: http://download.zope.org/zope3.4/current-versions.cfg Shouldn't there also be URLs such as these? http://download.zope.org/zope3.4/3.4.0c1-versions.cfg http://download.zope.org/zope3.4/3.4.0-versions.cfg http://download.zope.org/zope3.4/3.4.1-versions.cfg It should also be more explicit what "controlled" means. It seems like this is the same set of packages and versions and versions.cfg except that it also contains versions of previous packages? Is this a continually updated set of the most current versions of all packages that make up the Zope 3.4 series after all test suites pass? http://download.zope.org/zope3.4/controlled-packages.cfg Too me it seems easier to understand if there are two URLs in buildout's find-links setting. e.g. for Plone there is a link to a controlled archive of Plone produced packages, then there is a link to PyPI (well the PPIX mirror actually), which makes it more obvious that there is a Zope managed archive of packages, and then there is the wide, wooly world of all Python packages: find-links = http://dist.plone.org http://download.zope.org/ppix/ Anyways, I hope I don't sound too complain-y, but it would be much appreciated if the terminology and plan for maintaining the Zope 3.4 release series was made a bit clearer. And it would also be really nice if the Grok terminology and release methods lined up with the Zope 3 terminology and release methods :)

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Zope Tests: 6 OK
by Zope Tests Summarizer 05 Feb '08

05 Feb '08

Summary of messages to the zope-tests list. Period Mon Feb 4 12:00:00 2008 UTC to Tue Feb 5 12:00:00 2008 UTC. There were 6 messages: 6 from Zope Unit Tests. Tests passed OK --------------- Subject: OK : Zope-2.7 Python-2.3.6 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Mon Feb 4 21:01:33 EST 2008 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2008-February/009059.html Subject: OK : Zope-2.8 Python-2.3.6 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Mon Feb 4 21:03:04 EST 2008 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2008-February/009060.html Subject: OK : Zope-2.9 Python-2.4.4 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Mon Feb 4 21:04:34 EST 2008 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2008-February/009061.html Subject: OK : Zope-2.10 Python-2.4.4 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Mon Feb 4 21:06:04 EST 2008 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2008-February/009062.html Subject: OK : Zope-2.11 Python-2.4.4 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Mon Feb 4 21:07:35 EST 2008 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2008-February/009063.html Subject: OK : Zope-trunk Python-2.4.4 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Mon Feb 4 21:09:05 EST 2008 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2008-February/009064.html

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2 failures on the KGS (z3c.rml & zope.app.publication)
by Christophe Combelles 04 Feb '08

04 Feb '08

Hi, I was trying to read and understand zope.release and zope.kgs (to be able to add zope.app.locales 3.4.1 into the upcoming zope 3.4). So I've tried to run all the tests of the KGS : ----------------------------------------------------- $ ./bin/test -vpc1 Running tests at level 1 Test-module import failures: Module: ZEO.tests.testZEO IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/ZODB3-3.8.0b4-py2.4-linux-i686.egg/ZEO/tests/registerDB.test' Module: z3c.rml.tests.test_rml Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/z3c.rml-0.7.1-py2.4.egg/z3c/rml/tests/test_rml.py", line 19, in ? import PIL ImportError: No module named PIL Running unit tests: Running: 3966/10840 (36.6%) ... ml-0.7.1-py2.4.egg/z3c/rml/tests/../pagetemplate.txt Failure in test /home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/z3c.rml-0.7.1-py2.4.egg/z3c/rml/tests/../pagetemplate.txt Failed doctest test for pagetemplate.txt File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/z3c.rml-0.7.1-py2.4.egg/z3c/rml/tests/../pagetemplate.txt", line 0 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/z3c.rml-0.7.1-py2.4.egg/z3c/rml/tests/../pagetemplate.txt", line 41, in pagetemplate.txt Failed example: from z3c.rml import pagetemplate Exception raised: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpHxshRy/zope.testing-3.5.1-py2.4.egg/zope/testing/doctest.py", line 1356, in __run File "<doctest pagetemplate.txt[3]>", line 1, in ? from z3c.rml import pagetemplate File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/z3c.rml-0.7.1-py2.4.egg/z3c/rml/pagetemplate.py", line 20, in ? from z3c.rml import rml2pdf File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/z3c.rml-0.7.1-py2.4.egg/z3c/rml/rml2pdf.py", line 24, in ? from z3c.rml import document, interfaces File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/z3c.rml-0.7.1-py2.4.egg/z3c/rml/document.py", line 22, in ? import reportlab.pdfgen.canvas ImportError: No module named reportlab.pdfgen.canvas 4909/10840 (45.3%) ... etup-3.4.1-py2.4.egg/zope/app/appsetup/bootstrap.txtzope.app.appsetup: Security policy is not configured. Please make sure that securitypolicy.zcml is included in site.zcml immediately before principals.zcml zope.app.appsetup: Security policy is not configured. Please make sure that securitypolicy.zcml is included in site.zcml immediately before principals.zcml zope.app.appsetup: Security policy is not configured. Please make sure that securitypolicy.zcml is included in site.zcml immediately before principals.zcml 6434/10840 (59.4%) evolve (zope.app.generations.generations)zope.app.generations: Failed to evolve database to generation 4 for app1 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpmkOgSQ/zope.app.generations-3.4.1-py2.4.egg/zope/app/generations/generations.py", line 415, in evolve File "<doctest zope.app.generations.generations.evolve[1]>", line 12, in evolve raise ValueError(generation) ValueError: 4 zope.app.generations: Failed to evolve database to generation 4 for app1 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpmkOgSQ/zope.app.generations-3.4.1-py2.4.egg/zope/app/generations/generations.py", line 415, in evolve File "<doctest zope.app.generations.generations.evolve[1]>", line 12, in evolve raise ValueError(generation) ValueError: 4 zope.app.generations: Failed to evolve database to generation 4 for app1 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpmkOgSQ/zope.app.generations-3.4.1-py2.4.egg/zope/app/generations/generations.py", line 415, in evolve File "<doctest zope.app.generations.generations.evolve[1]>", line 12, in evolve raise ValueError(generation) ValueError: 4 zope.app.generations: Failed to evolve database to generation 4 for app1 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpmkOgSQ/zope.app.generations-3.4.1-py2.4.egg/zope/app/generations/generations.py", line 415, in evolve File "<doctest zope.app.generations.generations.evolve[1]>", line 12, in evolve raise ValueError(generation) ValueError: 4 zope.app.generations: Failed to evolve database to generation 4 for app1 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpmkOgSQ/zope.app.generations-3.4.1-py2.4.egg/zope/app/generations/generations.py", line 415, in evolve File "<doctest zope.app.generations.generations.evolve[1]>", line 12, in evolve raise ValueError(generation) ValueError: 4 zope.app.generations: Failed to evolve database to generation 4 for app1 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpmkOgSQ/zope.app.generations-3.4.1-py2.4.egg/zope/app/generations/generations.py", line 415, in evolve File "<doctest zope.app.generations.generations.evolve[1]>", line 12, in evolve raise ValueError(generation) ValueError: 4 6875/10840 (63.4%) testAbortOrCommitTransaction (...blicationErrorHandling)SiteError: Error while reporting an error to the Error Reporting utility Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpma22-A/zope.app.publication-3.4.2-py2.4.egg/zope/app/publication/zopepublication.py", line 225, in _logErrorWithErrorReportingUtility File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/zope.component-3.4.0-py2.4.egg/zope/component/_api.py", line 207, in getUtility raise ComponentLookupError(interface, name) ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass zope.error.interfaces.IErrorReportingUtility>, '') SiteError: Error while reporting an error to the Error Reporting utility Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpma22-A/zope.app.publication-3.4.2-py2.4.egg/zope/app/publication/zopepublication.py", line 225, in _logErrorWithErrorReportingUtility File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/zope.component-3.4.0-py2.4.egg/zope/component/_api.py", line 207, in getUtility raise ComponentLookupError(interface, name) ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass zope.error.interfaces.IErrorReportingUtility>, '') SiteError: Error while reporting an error to the Error Reporting utility Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpma22-A/zope.app.publication-3.4.2-py2.4.egg/zope/app/publication/zopepublication.py", line 225, in _logErrorWithErrorReportingUtility File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/zope.component-3.4.0-py2.4.egg/zope/component/_api.py", line 207, in getUtility raise ComponentLookupError(interface, name) ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass zope.error.interfaces.IErrorReportingUtility>, '') 6877/10840 (63.4%) testExceptionResetsResponse (...ublicationErrorHandling)SiteError: Error while reporting an error to the Error Reporting utility Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpma22-A/zope.app.publication-3.4.2-py2.4.egg/zope/app/publication/zopepublication.py", line 225, in _logErrorWithErrorReportingUtility File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/zope.component-3.4.0-py2.4.egg/zope/component/_api.py", line 207, in getUtility raise ComponentLookupError(interface, name) ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass zope.error.interfaces.IErrorReportingUtility>, '') SiteError: Error while reporting an error to the Error Reporting utility Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpma22-A/zope.app.publication-3.4.2-py2.4.egg/zope/app/publication/zopepublication.py", line 225, in _logErrorWithErrorReportingUtility File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/zope.component-3.4.0-py2.4.egg/zope/component/_api.py", line 207, in getUtility raise ComponentLookupError(interface, name) ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass zope.error.interfaces.IErrorReportingUtility>, '') SiteError: Error while reporting an error to the Error Reporting utility Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpma22-A/zope.app.publication-3.4.2-py2.4.egg/zope/app/publication/zopepublication.py", line 225, in _logErrorWithErrorReportingUtility File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/zope.component-3.4.0-py2.4.egg/zope/component/_api.py", line 207, in getUtility raise ComponentLookupError(interface, name) ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass zope.error.interfaces.IErrorReportingUtility>, '') 6878/10840 (63.5%) testExceptionSideEffects (...pePublicationErrorHandling)SiteError: Error while reporting an error to the Error Reporting utility Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpma22-A/zope.app.publication-3.4.2-py2.4.egg/zope/app/publication/zopepublication.py", line 225, in _logErrorWithErrorReportingUtility File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/zope.component-3.4.0-py2.4.egg/zope/component/_api.py", line 207, in getUtility raise ComponentLookupError(interface, name) ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass zope.error.interfaces.IErrorReportingUtility>, '') SiteError: Error while reporting an error to the Error Reporting utility Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpma22-A/zope.app.publication-3.4.2-py2.4.egg/zope/app/publication/zopepublication.py", line 225, in _logErrorWithErrorReportingUtility File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/zope.component-3.4.0-py2.4.egg/zope/component/_api.py", line 207, in getUtility raise ComponentLookupError(interface, name) ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass zope.error.interfaces.IErrorReportingUtility>, '') SiteError: Error while reporting an error to the Error Reporting utility Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpma22-A/zope.app.publication-3.4.2-py2.4.egg/zope/app/publication/zopepublication.py", line 225, in _logErrorWithErrorReportingUtility File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/zope.component-3.4.0-py2.4.egg/zope/component/_api.py", line 207, in getUtility raise ComponentLookupError(interface, name) ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass zope.error.interfaces.IErrorReportingUtility>, '') 6879/10840 (63.5%) testHandlingSystemErrors (...pePublicationErrorHandling)SiteError: Error while reporting an error to the Error Reporting utility Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpma22-A/zope.app.publication-3.4.2-py2.4.egg/zope/app/publication/zopepublication.py", line 225, in _logErrorWithErrorReportingUtility File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/zope.component-3.4.0-py2.4.egg/zope/component/_api.py", line 207, in getUtility raise ComponentLookupError(interface, name) ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass zope.error.interfaces.IErrorReportingUtility>, '') SiteError: Error while reporting an error to the Error Reporting utility Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpma22-A/zope.app.publication-3.4.2-py2.4.egg/zope/app/publication/zopepublication.py", line 225, in _logErrorWithErrorReportingUtility File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/zope.component-3.4.0-py2.4.egg/zope/component/_api.py", line 207, in getUtility raise ComponentLookupError(interface, name) ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass zope.error.interfaces.IErrorReportingUtility>, '') SiteError: Error while reporting an error to the Error Reporting utility Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpma22-A/zope.app.publication-3.4.2-py2.4.egg/zope/app/publication/zopepublication.py", line 225, in _logErrorWithErrorReportingUtility File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/zope.component-3.4.0-py2.4.egg/zope/component/_api.py", line 207, in getUtility raise ComponentLookupError(interface, name) ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass zope.error.interfaces.IErrorReportingUtility>, '') SiteError: Error while reporting an error to the Error Reporting utility Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpma22-A/zope.app.publication-3.4.2-py2.4.egg/zope/app/publication/zopepublication.py", line 225, in _logErrorWithErrorReportingUtility File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/zope.component-3.4.0-py2.4.egg/zope/component/_api.py", line 207, in getUtility raise ComponentLookupError(interface, name) ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass zope.error.interfaces.IErrorReportingUtility>, '') SiteError: Error while reporting an error to the Error Reporting utility Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpma22-A/zope.app.publication-3.4.2-py2.4.egg/zope/app/publication/zopepublication.py", line 225, in _logErrorWithErrorReportingUtility File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/zope.component-3.4.0-py2.4.egg/zope/component/_api.py", line 207, in getUtility raise ComponentLookupError(interface, name) ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass zope.error.interfaces.IErrorReportingUtility>, '') SiteError: Error while reporting an error to the Error Reporting utility Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpma22-A/zope.app.publication-3.4.2-py2.4.egg/zope/app/publication/zopepublication.py", line 225, in _logErrorWithErrorReportingUtility File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/zope.component-3.4.0-py2.4.egg/zope/component/_api.py", line 207, in getUtility raise ComponentLookupError(interface, name) ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass zope.error.interfaces.IErrorReportingUtility>, '') SiteError: http://test.url Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpma22-A/zope.app.publication-3.4.2-py2.4.egg/zope/app/publication/tests/test_zopepublication.py", line 287, in testHandlingSystemErrors E2 SiteError: http://test.url Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpma22-A/zope.app.publication-3.4.2-py2.4.egg/zope/app/publication/tests/test_zopepublication.py", line 287, in testHandlingSystemErrors E2 SiteError: http://test.url Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpma22-A/zope.app.publication-3.4.2-py2.4.egg/zope/app/publication/tests/test_zopepublication.py", line 287, in testHandlingSystemErrors E2 6881/10840 (63.5%) testNoViewOnClassicClassException (...tionErrorHandling)SiteError: Error while reporting an error to the Error Reporting utility Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpma22-A/zope.app.publication-3.4.2-py2.4.egg/zope/app/publication/zopepublication.py", line 225, in _logErrorWithErrorReportingUtility File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/zope.component-3.4.0-py2.4.egg/zope/component/_api.py", line 207, in getUtility raise ComponentLookupError(interface, name) ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass zope.error.interfaces.IErrorReportingUtility>, '') SiteError: Error while reporting an error to the Error Reporting utility Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpma22-A/zope.app.publication-3.4.2-py2.4.egg/zope/app/publication/zopepublication.py", line 225, in _logErrorWithErrorReportingUtility File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/zope.component-3.4.0-py2.4.egg/zope/component/_api.py", line 207, in getUtility raise ComponentLookupError(interface, name) ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass zope.error.interfaces.IErrorReportingUtility>, '') SiteError: Error while reporting an error to the Error Reporting utility Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpma22-A/zope.app.publication-3.4.2-py2.4.egg/zope/app/publication/zopepublication.py", line 225, in _logErrorWithErrorReportingUtility File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/zope.component-3.4.0-py2.4.egg/zope/component/_api.py", line 207, in getUtility raise ComponentLookupError(interface, name) ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass zope.error.interfaces.IErrorReportingUtility>, '') 6883/10840 (63.5%) testRetryNotAllowed (...on.ZopePublicationErrorHandling)SiteError: Error while reporting an error to the Error Reporting utility Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpma22-A/zope.app.publication-3.4.2-py2.4.egg/zope/app/publication/zopepublication.py", line 225, in _logErrorWithErrorReportingUtility File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/zope.component-3.4.0-py2.4.egg/zope/component/_api.py", line 207, in getUtility raise ComponentLookupError(interface, name) ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass zope.error.interfaces.IErrorReportingUtility>, '') SiteError: Error while reporting an error to the Error Reporting utility Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpma22-A/zope.app.publication-3.4.2-py2.4.egg/zope/app/publication/zopepublication.py", line 225, in _logErrorWithErrorReportingUtility File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/zope.component-3.4.0-py2.4.egg/zope/component/_api.py", line 207, in getUtility raise ComponentLookupError(interface, name) ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass zope.error.interfaces.IErrorReportingUtility>, '') SiteError: Error while reporting an error to the Error Reporting utility Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpma22-A/zope.app.publication-3.4.2-py2.4.egg/zope/app/publication/zopepublication.py", line 225, in _logErrorWithErrorReportingUtility File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/zope.component-3.4.0-py2.4.egg/zope/component/_api.py", line 207, in getUtility raise ComponentLookupError(interface, name) ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass zope.error.interfaces.IErrorReportingUtility>, '') Failure in test testRetryNotAllowed (zope.app.publication.tests.test_zopepublication.ZopePublicationErrorHandling) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/unittest.py", line 260, in run testMethod() File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpma22-A/zope.app.publication-3.4.2-py2.4.egg/zope/app/publication/tests/test_zopepublication.py", line 193, in testRetryNotAllowed File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/unittest.py", line 333, in failUnlessEqual raise self.failureException, \ AssertionError: 'line 185, in testRetryNotAllowed ConflictError: database conflict error' != 'in testRetryNotAllowed raise ConflictError ConflictError: database conflict error' 6884/10840 (63.5%) testViewOnException (...on.ZopePublicationErrorHandling)SiteError: Error while reporting an error to the Error Reporting utility Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpma22-A/zope.app.publication-3.4.2-py2.4.egg/zope/app/publication/zopepublication.py", line 225, in _logErrorWithErrorReportingUtility File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/zope.component-3.4.0-py2.4.egg/zope/component/_api.py", line 207, in getUtility raise ComponentLookupError(interface, name) ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass zope.error.interfaces.IErrorReportingUtility>, '') SiteError: Error while reporting an error to the Error Reporting utility Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpma22-A/zope.app.publication-3.4.2-py2.4.egg/zope/app/publication/zopepublication.py", line 225, in _logErrorWithErrorReportingUtility File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/zope.component-3.4.0-py2.4.egg/zope/component/_api.py", line 207, in getUtility raise ComponentLookupError(interface, name) ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass zope.error.interfaces.IErrorReportingUtility>, '') SiteError: Error while reporting an error to the Error Reporting utility Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpma22-A/zope.app.publication-3.4.2-py2.4.egg/zope/app/publication/zopepublication.py", line 225, in _logErrorWithErrorReportingUtility File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/zope.component-3.4.0-py2.4.egg/zope/component/_api.py", line 207, in getUtility raise ComponentLookupError(interface, name) ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass zope.error.interfaces.IErrorReportingUtility>, '') 7425/10840 (68.5%) ... 3.4.0-py2.4.egg/zope/app/twisted/tests/../README.txtroot: -- Example-HTTP Server started. Hostname: localhost Port: 0 root: -- Example-HTTP Server started. Hostname: localhost Port: 0 root: -- Example-HTTP Server started. Hostname: localhost Port: 0 root: -- Example-HTTP-2 Server started. Hostname: localhost Port: 0 root: -- Example-HTTP-2 Server started. Hostname: localhost Port: 0 root: -- Example-HTTP-2 Server started. Hostname: localhost Port: 0 7434/10840 (68.6%) ... ed-3.4.0-py2.4.egg/zope/app/twisted/tests/../log.txtaccesslog: 127.0.0.1 - - [29/Jun/2005:01:06:40 +0200] "GET /index.html HTTP/1.1" 200 300 "-" "-" accesslog: 127.0.0.1 - - [29/Jun/2005:01:06:40 +0200] "GET /index.html HTTP/1.1" 200 300 "-" "-" accesslog: 127.0.0.1 - - [29/Jun/2005:01:06:40 +0200] "GET /index.html HTTP/1.1" 200 300 "-" "-" accesslog: 127.0.0.1 - - [29/Jun/2005:01:06:40 +0200] "GET /index.html HTTP/1.1" 200 300 "http://localhost:8080/manage" "Mozilla 1.7" accesslog: 127.0.0.1 - - [29/Jun/2005:01:06:40 +0200] "GET /index.html HTTP/1.1" 200 300 "http://localhost:8080/manage" "Mozilla 1.7" accesslog: 127.0.0.1 - - [29/Jun/2005:01:06:40 +0200] "GET /index.html HTTP/1.1" 200 300 "http://localhost:8080/manage" "Mozilla 1.7" 7509/10840 (69.3%) ... pe.app.wsgi-3.4.0-py2.4.egg/zope/app/wsgi/README.txtSiteError: Error while reporting an error to the Error Reporting utility Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpma22-A/zope.app.publication-3.4.2-py2.4.egg/zope/app/publication/zopepublication.py", line 225, in _logErrorWithErrorReportingUtility File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/zope.component-3.4.0-py2.4.egg/zope/component/_api.py", line 207, in getUtility raise ComponentLookupError(interface, name) ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass zope.error.interfaces.IErrorReportingUtility>, '') SiteError: Error while reporting an error to the Error Reporting utility Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpma22-A/zope.app.publication-3.4.2-py2.4.egg/zope/app/publication/zopepublication.py", line 225, in _logErrorWithErrorReportingUtility File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/zope.component-3.4.0-py2.4.egg/zope/component/_api.py", line 207, in getUtility raise ComponentLookupError(interface, name) ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass zope.error.interfaces.IErrorReportingUtility>, '') SiteError: Error while reporting an error to the Error Reporting utility Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpma22-A/zope.app.publication-3.4.2-py2.4.egg/zope/app/publication/zopepublication.py", line 225, in _logErrorWithErrorReportingUtility File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/zope.component-3.4.0-py2.4.egg/zope/component/_api.py", line 207, in getUtility raise ComponentLookupError(interface, name) ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass zope.error.interfaces.IErrorReportingUtility>, '') 8237/10840 (76.0%) test_ErrorLog_unicode (...ts.ErrorReportingUtilityTests)SiteError: Error in ErrorReportingUtility while getting a str representation of an object Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/zope.error-3.5.1-py2.4.egg/zope/error/error.py", line 71, in getPrintable value = str(value) UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\u0441' in position 7: ordinal not in range(128) SiteError: Error in ErrorReportingUtility while getting a str representation of an object Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/zope.error-3.5.1-py2.4.egg/zope/error/error.py", line 71, in getPrintable value = str(value) UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\u0441' in position 7: ordinal not in range(128) SiteError: Error in ErrorReportingUtility while getting a str representation of an object Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/zope.error-3.5.1-py2.4.egg/zope/error/error.py", line 71, in getPrintable value = str(value) UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\u0441' in position 7: ordinal not in range(128) 9224/10840 (85.1%) test_sniffer_html_ascii (...ptfile.TypeSniffingTestCase)root: PageTemplateFile: Error in template /tmp/tmpkeIudL: Compilation failed HTMLParser.HTMLParseError: unexpected char u'S' in internal subset, at line 1, column 18 root: PageTemplateFile: Error in template /tmp/tmpkeIudL: Compilation failed HTMLParser.HTMLParseError: unexpected char u'S' in internal subset, at line 1, column 18 root: PageTemplateFile: Error in template /tmp/tmpkeIudL: Compilation failed HTMLParser.HTMLParseError: unexpected char u'S' in internal subset, at line 1, column 18 9226/10840 (85.1%) test_sniffer_xml_utf16_be (...file.TypeSniffingTestCase)root: PageTemplateFile: Error in template /tmp/tmpkeIudL: Compilation failed xml.parsers.expat.ExpatError: unclosed token: line 1, column 0 root: PageTemplateFile: Error in template /tmp/tmpkeIudL: Compilation failed xml.parsers.expat.ExpatError: unclosed token: line 1, column 0 root: PageTemplateFile: Error in template /tmp/tmpkeIudL: Compilation failed xml.parsers.expat.ExpatError: unclosed token: line 1, column 0 root: PageTemplateFile: Error in template /tmp/tmpkeIudL: Compilation failed xml.parsers.expat.ExpatError: unclosed token: line 1, column 0 root: PageTemplateFile: Error in template /tmp/tmpkeIudL: Compilation failed xml.parsers.expat.ExpatError: unclosed token: line 1, column 0 root: PageTemplateFile: Error in template /tmp/tmpkeIudL: Compilation failed xml.parsers.expat.ExpatError: unclosed token: line 1, column 0 root: PageTemplateFile: Error in template /tmp/tmpkeIudL: Compilation failed xml.parsers.expat.ExpatError: unclosed token: line 1, column 1 root: PageTemplateFile: Error in template /tmp/tmpkeIudL: Compilation failed xml.parsers.expat.ExpatError: unclosed token: line 1, column 1 root: PageTemplateFile: Error in template /tmp/tmpkeIudL: Compilation failed xml.parsers.expat.ExpatError: unclosed token: line 1, column 1 root: PageTemplateFile: Error in template /tmp/tmpkeIudL: Compilation failed xml.parsers.expat.ExpatError: unclosed token: line 1, column 1 root: PageTemplateFile: Error in template /tmp/tmpkeIudL: Compilation failed xml.parsers.expat.ExpatError: unclosed token: line 1, column 1 root: PageTemplateFile: Error in template /tmp/tmpkeIudL: Compilation failed xml.parsers.expat.ExpatError: unclosed token: line 1, column 1 9227/10840 (85.1%) test_sniffer_xml_utf16_le (...file.TypeSniffingTestCase)root: PageTemplateFile: Error in template /tmp/tmpkeIudL: Compilation failed xml.parsers.expat.ExpatError: unclosed token: line 1, column 0 root: PageTemplateFile: Error in template /tmp/tmpkeIudL: Compilation failed xml.parsers.expat.ExpatError: unclosed token: line 1, column 0 root: PageTemplateFile: Error in template /tmp/tmpkeIudL: Compilation failed xml.parsers.expat.ExpatError: unclosed token: line 1, column 0 root: PageTemplateFile: Error in template /tmp/tmpkeIudL: Compilation failed xml.parsers.expat.ExpatError: unclosed token: line 1, column 0 root: PageTemplateFile: Error in template /tmp/tmpkeIudL: Compilation failed xml.parsers.expat.ExpatError: unclosed token: line 1, column 0 root: PageTemplateFile: Error in template /tmp/tmpkeIudL: Compilation failed xml.parsers.expat.ExpatError: unclosed token: line 1, column 0 root: PageTemplateFile: Error in template /tmp/tmpkeIudL: Compilation failed xml.parsers.expat.ExpatError: unclosed token: line 1, column 1 root: PageTemplateFile: Error in template /tmp/tmpkeIudL: Compilation failed xml.parsers.expat.ExpatError: unclosed token: line 1, column 1 root: PageTemplateFile: Error in template /tmp/tmpkeIudL: Compilation failed xml.parsers.expat.ExpatError: unclosed token: line 1, column 1 root: PageTemplateFile: Error in template /tmp/tmpkeIudL: Compilation failed xml.parsers.expat.ExpatError: unclosed token: line 1, column 1 root: PageTemplateFile: Error in template /tmp/tmpkeIudL: Compilation failed xml.parsers.expat.ExpatError: unclosed token: line 1, column 1 root: PageTemplateFile: Error in template /tmp/tmpkeIudL: Compilation failed xml.parsers.expat.ExpatError: unclosed token: line 1, column 1 9305/10840 (85.8%) testCookieErrorToLog (...st_browserrequest.BrowserTests)eventlog: Illegal key value: ldap/OU eventlog: Illegal key value: ldap/OU eventlog: Illegal key value: ldap/OU 9408/10840 (86.8%) testCookieErrorToLog (...ts.test_http.ConcreteHTTPTests)eventlog: Illegal key value: ldap/OU eventlog: Illegal key value: ldap/OU eventlog: Illegal key value: ldap/OU 10197/10840 (94.1%) doctest_ServerBase (zope.server.tests.test_serverbase)ServerBaseForTest: Computing hostname ServerBaseForTest: Computing hostname ServerBaseForTest: Computing hostname 10258/10840 (94.6%) setRequestId (zope.session.http.CookieClientIdManager)root: ClientIdManager is using thirdparty cookies, ignoring setIdRequest call root: ClientIdManager is using thirdparty cookies, ignoring setIdRequest call root: ClientIdManager is using thirdparty cookies, ignoring setIdRequest call Ran 10840 tests with 2 failures and 0 errors in 5 minutes 45.028 seconds. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/bin/test", line 184, in ? zope.testing.testrunner.run([ File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpHxshRy/zope.testing-3.5.1-py2.4.egg/zope/testing/testrunner.py", line 932, in run File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpHxshRy/zope.testing-3.5.1-py2.4.egg/zope/testing/testrunner.py", line 1072, in run_with_options File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpHxshRy/zope.testing-3.5.1-py2.4.egg/zope/testing/testrunner.py", line 1542, in ordered_layers File "/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test/eggs/tmpHxshRy/zope.testing-3.5.1-py2.4.egg/zope/testing/testrunner.py", line 1567, in layer_from_name AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'DemoLayer' ccomb@portouf:/home/dadafkas/projets/zope3/zope3.4/test$

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Session concurrency problem
by Stephan Richter 04 Feb '08

04 Feb '08

Hi everyone, I have come across a situation, where temporarily the session data for a user is not available. Scenario: User 1 creates some session data. While a user 2 creates also some session data, user 1's data is not accessible. The problem plays out in two ways: 1. The data's __dict__ returns an empty dictionary. When you access an attribute directly, though, the data can be seen. This symptom can be reliably reproduced. 2. Sometimes, the session package data does not have the data in it and fails with a key error. This happens maybe 1 in 50 times and I have not reliably reproduced this problem. There are no conflict errors. And when I store the data to the root folder using the client id, I never see any of the two problems. This makes me believe that the issue is contained to the session code. The only two things that seem specific to the session code is the sweeping algorithm. The comment in zope.session.session, line 192 discusses some issues of sweep, but I am not sure it is relevant. I have attached a package that demonstrates the issue. (This is one of the major benefits of having buildout and eggs!) Here is how you get the problem reproduced: tar xvzf sessionIssue2.tgz cd sessionIssue2 python2.4 bootstrap.py ./bin/buildout -N ./bin/demo fg In a separate shell: cd sessionIssue2 for number in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 ;do sh sessionTest.sh;done The before and after result should always be the same. You can change the demo code to not use sessions and see that it works. You can also see the differences between accessing __dict__ and an attribute directly. So, does anyone have an idea of what is happening here? Any hints are greatly appreciated! Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter Web Software Design, Development and Training Google me. "Zope Stephan Richter"

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Re: [Checkins] SVN: zope.app.twisted/trunk/src/zope/app/twisted/ftp/utils.py fix of 599 error on conflict error in request
by Christian Theune 04 Feb '08

04 Feb '08

Adam Groszer schrieb: > Log message for revision 83376: > fix of 599 error on conflict error in request > see: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2008-January/030844.html I'm missing a test case here. Also the annotation style of the comment should go into a bug report and not into the code IMHO. Christian -- gocept gmbh & co. kg - forsterstrasse 29 - 06112 halle (saale) - germany www.gocept.com - ct(a)gocept.com - phone +49 345 122 9889 7 - fax +49 345 122 9889 1 - zope and plone consulting and development

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Zope Tests: 6 OK
by Zope Tests Summarizer 04 Feb '08

04 Feb '08

Summary of messages to the zope-tests list. Period Sun Feb 3 12:00:00 2008 UTC to Mon Feb 4 12:00:00 2008 UTC. There were 6 messages: 6 from Zope Unit Tests. Tests passed OK --------------- Subject: OK : Zope-2.7 Python-2.3.6 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Sun Feb 3 21:02:22 EST 2008 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2008-February/009053.html Subject: OK : Zope-2.8 Python-2.3.6 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Sun Feb 3 21:03:52 EST 2008 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2008-February/009054.html Subject: OK : Zope-2.9 Python-2.4.4 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Sun Feb 3 21:05:22 EST 2008 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2008-February/009055.html Subject: OK : Zope-2.10 Python-2.4.4 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Sun Feb 3 21:06:52 EST 2008 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2008-February/009056.html Subject: OK : Zope-2.11 Python-2.4.4 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Sun Feb 3 21:08:22 EST 2008 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2008-February/009057.html Subject: OK : Zope-trunk Python-2.4.4 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Sun Feb 3 21:09:53 EST 2008 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2008-February/009058.html

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Plone, Grok, Zope 2, Zope 3, Repoze and the future
by Alexander Limi 04 Feb '08

04 Feb '08

Hi, Just wanted to make you aware of two excellent articles written by Martin Aspeli about the future of Plone and how we want to move forward and what roles the underlying technologies play — new and old: 1. http://martinaspeli.net/articles/pete-and-andy-try-plone-4 2. http://martinaspeli.net/articles/is-plone-too-hard Should be read in order, since the first one informs and sets the stage for much of what is discussed in the second one. -- Alexander Limi · http://limi.net

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