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Zope 2 with another web server using PCGI (Windows)
by kamon.ayeva＠bureauveritas.com 16 Sep '99

16 Sep '99

Hi there, I found in brianh's Howto for Zope2 - IIS - ZServer (if i am correct) that the file zope.cgi can be copied from a non-windows distribution to the web server's CGI directory. In my case, it is Domino. What if I don't have another platform available ? Can someone mail me this file ? Thanks. Kamon aka Kemalus kamon.ayeva(a)bureauveritas.com

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in-tag problems (fwd)
by Alexander Schad 16 Sep '99

16 Sep '99

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:07:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Schad <ags(a)beehive.de> To: zope(a)zope.org Subject: in-tag problems Hi ! I'm using the in-tag to iterate over a data set. I have used the following variables to navigate through the data:     That worked fine ! Till now :( For some reason it's not working on three of our servers. The variables give wrong results and as a result the created links lead to wrong entries. I'm using : Zope 1.10.2 (source release, python 1.5.1, linux2), on Python 1.5.2 (#4, Jul 26 1999, 16:56:10) [GCC 2.7.2.1] on linux2 Here's the whole relevant source:  <a href="query_start=">(last  entries)</a>   <a href="query_start=">(next  entries)</a>  Any help would be appreciated, Bye, Alex

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AccessControl/User.py:1.89 broke FTP support ?
by Jarkko Kniivilä 16 Sep '99

16 Sep '99

Brian, The CVS version of lib/python/AccessControl/User.py revision 1.89 seems to have broken FTP support! You must have overlooked something with the cache code in 'getRolesInContext'. The previous revision is fine. This is beyond me as I'm just a zope(a)zope.org lurker :-) When not working, Z2.log exhibits the following when connecting to ZServer and trying to list the root folder: 127.0.0.1:3111 ==> 220 afo2000 FTP server (Medusa Async V1.6 [experimental]) ready. 127.0.0.1:3111 <== USER afo 127.0.0.1:3111 ==> 331 Password required. 127.0.0.1:3111 <== PASS <password> 127.0.0.1:3111 ==> 230 Login successful. 127.0.0.1:3111 <== CWD / 127.0.0.1:3111 ==> 550 No such directory. 127.0.0.1:3111 <== PWD 127.0.0.1:3111 ==> 257 "/" is the current directory. 127.0.0.1:3111 <== PORT 127,0,0,1,12,40 127.0.0.1:3111 ==> 200 PORT command successful. 127.0.0.1:3111 <== NLST -CF 127.0.0.1:3111 ==> 550 Could not list directory. 127.0.0.1:3111 <== QUIT 127.0.0.1:3111 ==> 221 Goodbye. I'll report my setup, if you can't reproduce the behaviour in yours. Sincerely, // Jarkko Kniivilä

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Y'all asleep in here?
by Michel Pelletier 16 Sep '99

16 Sep '99

How about some feedback on this? We need some folks outside of the US to flex this muscle a little. ;) > -----Original Message----- > From: Martijn Faassen [mailto:m.faassen@vet.uu.nl] > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 7:33 AM > Cc: zope-dev(a)zope.org > Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope] Need a list of words not indexed by > Catalog > > Rik Hoekstra wrote: > > > > > Terrel Shumway wrote: > > > > > > > > near the end of > > > > lib/python/SearchIndex/TextIndex.py > > > > is a list called 'stop_words' > > > > > > > > [Zope Dev] It would be good to move this out of the .py > file into an > > > > editable, internationalizable resource file. > > > > > > Agreed! And then there's the *multi* lingual issue too. > What if I have > > > Dutch and English on my site? > [snip] > > It seems like you run into a _lot_ of complexities with > multilingual issues, > > and still these are real issues for many of us. > > Yes, very real issues. Suddenly ZCatalog isn't the > almost-ready tool to > add searchability to the website I'm building anymore.. Now I > need to do > quite a bit of extra work, I imagine.. I am thinking heavily about this very problem as we speak. You all correctly pointed out some of the toughest of the problems. Here are my ideas so far: Have 'vocabulary objects' store the stopwords, synonyms, stemming rules, and lexicon (collection of uniquely indexed words) in a drop-in object for ZCatalog. This way, a 'French', 'Dutch' etc. vocabulary object could be developed by a third party. TextIndexes can then reference (or acquire) a vocabular object through which it can stop, syn, stem and store words in it's lexicon. There are many other issues like sharing lexicons between similar language indexes, and having multiple back-end 'index/vocabularies' that all look like one index, so you can search a 'document source' for either 'community' or 'communauté' or 'Gemeinschaft' and get only documents relevant to that language (my applogies if these words are wrong, I'm using babelfish). I think this problem could be intractable though, if you searched for 'walking' in english, the word would stem down into 'walk', if you search for 'marche' en francais, should it stem down to 'promenade'? Anyways, there is some good news. For those of you tracking CVS we have added the ability to set your locale in Zope. This means that, forexample, the splitter/stemmer in the catalog will recognize all of those umlauts and accented letters and whatnots that english doesn't have. We would like a few people all over the place to try this out. If your locale has a different language or monetary system than the US (just about everywhere except some of canada) this might make the catalog and other parts of Zope more useful for you. local can be activated from the z2.py command like with the '-L' option. "-L ''" (an empty string) will cause local to try and autodetect your locale from your environment variables (you must set the env variables yourself, see 'man 7 locale'). Alternativly, you can say "-L de" and set your local to German. Please folks, test this out for us. We don't really have the means to do it here. -Michel _______________________________________________ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev(a)zope.org http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev (To receive general Zope announcements, see: http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce For non-developer, user-level issues, zope(a)zope.org, http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )

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RE: [Zope-dev] wygiwys
by Jeffrey Shell 15 Sep '99

15 Sep '99

> A simpler possibilities would be to provide an Java editing > applet with > syntax highlighting, right click form support and syntax completion > that hooked inside Zope management console. So instead of the good > old form, let's have a sophisticated html editor embedded in it. > > ah..dream on Ahh, Java. Evolving Point'n'Click to Point'n'Click'n'Wait'n'Groan'n'Scream (and wonder why it behaves differently than you expect?) :) If the community were to come up with something REALLY good, we'd be interested. But there's a lot of difficulty matching the advanced philosphies of Zope (Acquisition, Security, and now ZClass based objects) and DTML (namespaces, syntax, general concepts) with just about any visual editor out there. A _LOT_ of difficulty. It would be a project of some serious effort, and we haven't seen anybody with enough initiative to come up with a plan of tackling this. On the other hand, the new syntax is easier to work into smart (non-visual) editors like Alpha (and Emacs-ish editor on the Mac) with syntax completion and all that. Some tags like the contributed dtml-let tag may have some difficulties in these environments that prefer to help keep code very neat by quoting all attributes (a good thing really), since the dtml-let tag behaves differently (ie, <dtml-let bob=uncle lu="aunt()" billy="'cousin'"> ) And there's always problems with this perrenial favorite (dtml tags inside of HTML tags) -- <tr <dtml-if sequence-index-even>bgcolor="#c0c0c0"</dtml-if>> And, well, a trying-to-be-SGML-complient editor that is doing all these wonderful things to help you (syntax hiliting, completion, dialog boxes with tag attributes) panics and jumps over these. But situations like that aside, the new syntax is significantly easier to work with. And with FTP and WebDAV integration, authoring outside of the management interface is made a little bit easier (but work still needs to be done in this area to help it along). So, the dream lives on... :)

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Re: [Zope-dev] Newsgroup suggestion
by Josh Zeidner 15 Sep '99

15 Sep '99

Why not have the forum on a Zope server using Confera? -josh z >From: Dody Gunawinata <dody_g(a)eles.com> >CC: zope-dev(a)zope.org >Subject: [Zope-dev] Newsgroup suggestion >Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:26:14 +1000 > > >Hi all, > >I think we need to set up a newsgroup server. Mailing list is great, >but the traffic especially in Zope(a)zope.org is quite large. Even the >digest mode doesn't help a lot in dechipering the 60 odd messages per >day that coming thru the mailing list. And it can get only worse as Zope >become more popular. > >Newsgroup would allow the community to interact better, for example like >forums.borland.com where the developer community is really strong. And >features/suggestions discussions are a lot better thru Newsgroup. > >Share your thoughts. > >dody > >_______________________________________________ >Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev(a)zope.org >http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev > >(To receive general Zope announcements, see: >http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > >For non-developer, user-level issues, >zope(a)zope.org, http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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A DTML code
by Junior 15 Sep '99

15 Sep '99

I folks, I need a DTML code with return the width and height of a picture. ThankYou Liart WebSoluções

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Catalog Aware
by Jason Spisak 15 Sep '99

15 Sep '99

Michel, The message I just sent to Kevin has a traceback in it telling me that ZCatalog aware does not support manage_renameObject. How do I work with an object that has to subclass DTMLDocument and be Catalog aware? -- Jason Spisak webmaster(a)hiretechs.com

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deep or shallow copy, or what are dtml documents good for?
by Joerg Wittenberger 15 Sep '99

15 Sep '99

Hello folks, I found that zope uses deep copy with copy&paste and I found this a bit annoying especially it plays IMHO bad together with versioning and multiple authors. Here a short szenario: two persons modify documents within one folder. As soon as one mades changes to any document (within a version), the whole folder is locked (outside of that version). This is ok in so far as links within that document address all other documents within the same folder by relativ names and hence could break if somebody modifies any other document. In other words siblings belong somehow into the namespace associated with a document or put differently again: the containing folder is somehow a property of the documents contained within. The solution to would be to copy a folder before changing it. Rather wasteful and calling for the questing how to merge the branches. Another solution was to regard the folder as the basic unit of documents. Now everything works as expected and required. The slightest modification locks the document. Every document or method contained within describes just a part. The only thing missing was a chance to explicitly lock something, but that's easy to work around with a fake change. The only problems with the latter approach are a) it's regarded as strange, because people tend to thing of files aka documents as the basic unit b) selecting something to modify requires to first select the folder itself and next the index_html document; often the children property is never needed or becomes a requirement after some time passed (It's hard to teach why people should click twice if they could solve the problem for the short run by one click just to prevent chaos later.) c) the confusion about the difference between douments and methods becomes complete, because documents are no longer needed. All they have in contrast to methods are attributes (meta data), which should be associate with the folder now. My proposal: Folders and Documents should be merged. A dtml document should have a folderish property (say children), which contains links to those documents, which should be addressed relativ. When a new version is created, or the document is copied&pasted, those links are copied as well. But this time as a shallow, not a deep copy. The content of a document is just a method, which renders it's properties. After changing the content of a document the link within the containing document point to the new version. Links within the document still share content with the original. This raises the question, which document is the containing document. The answer is dynamic. In coherence with th way zope works it's always the one, which it is accessed thru. Additional notes: I'm fully aware that this breaks with the traditional semantics of files, but it goes in one line with the way xml structures documents. See the side note about zope's limitations in the XML2Zope package. If a document had such a folderish children property a xml document would map to a description of a sequence of properties drawn from that children property. A dtml architectural dtd (formerly called meta dtd) could map some of those elements to dtml tags. If done properly the proposed way would unify two concepts of zope, folders and documents. Which in turn should be made available again as specializations of that general type. I'm not certain that this proposal would break any other semantics I'm not aware of. I'd like to discuss that topic a bit more detailed brefore making plans to code it up. Thanks in advance for expressing your oppinions and objectives. /Jerry PS: due to mail problems please cc me to your replies. -- You can have it done fast, you can have it done cheap, and you can have it done well. --- But you can only have two of those at once.

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Using DTMLDocument as Base ZClass is a bug.
by Jason Spisak 15 Sep '99

15 Sep '99

I can create instances of a ZClass base on DTMLDocument fom python and they are fine. But when using the management interface, their 'id' gets entered as '<string>'. Also when trying to use:  Zope tells me that 'old_name' doesn't suport this kind of operation. I have already submitted this to the Collector last week, and it is really rendering the application we have created pretty useless because we cannot add these objects to the database. I really need someone out there to help out. I can't give them new id's, and thier is'd are wrong so we are stuck. All my best, -- Jason Spisak webmaster(a)hiretechs.com

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