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Re: [Zope-dev] Using DTMLDocument as Base ZClass is a bug.
by Jason Spisak 15 Sep '99

15 Sep '99

Thanks Kevin, That didn't do it either. I really shouldn't have to be changing the name at all just to get the 'id' property to stick. Can you, or anybody recreate this? Just make any new ZClass based on DTMLDocument or Method, and add apropertysheet of your own with an extra property. Then try to create an instance of it and get it's id through var, or the tree tag. The traceback on the operation not permitted is this: The item <EM>Resume</EM> does not support this operation.  > >I can create instances of a ZClass base on DTMLDocument fom python and > >they are fine. But when using the management interface, their 'id' gets > >entered as '<string>'. Also when trying to use: > > > > > > > >Zope tells me that 'old_name' doesn't suport this kind of operation. > > I don't know if it will help, but have you tried: > <dtml-call "manage_renameObject('old_name', 'new_name', REQUEST)"> > ?? > > REQUEST is sometimes needed for checking permissions... > > Kevin > > All my best, Jason Spisak

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Re: [Zope-dev] wygiwys
by Christopher Petrilli 15 Sep '99

15 Sep '99

> one of our clients makes me nervous, twice a day: he allways asks if there > is a wygiwys-possibility for the content-managers of tehir site? What You Get Is What You See? :-) > is there something like that or should i wait until the release of zope 3? What exactly are you asking for? I don't think we'll ever provide a "Dreamweaver" or "GoLive" style interface, that's an entire huge market to tackle. Patches accepted :-) Chris -- | Christopher Petrilli Python Powered Digital Creations, Inc. | petrilli(a)digicool.com http://www.digicool.com

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Fw: [Zope-dev] wygiwys
by morton＠dennisinter.com 15 Sep '99

15 Sep '99

----- Original Message ----- From: damien morton <morton(a)dennisinter.com> To: Christopher Petrilli <petrilli(a)digicool.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] wygiwys To be a competetive solution, Zope needs to integrate with the wysiwig systems most designers use. Asking them to cut and past html simply isnt an option. You just wont see the kind of amazing graphic design that is possible on a website, unless these artist can conveniently use their tools with whatever dynamic publishing system is in use. One of my complaints with DTML is that it currently cant integrate with dreamweaver or other design tools. Cold Fusion can and does integrate because of their use of custom tags using the same syntax as HTML, rather than the escaped tags used by DTML (and indeed ASP). I have to say that Im just starting out with Zope. Im learning it and keeping an eye out for a project its appropriate for - an opportunity to indroduce it to my company. Ive attached the DreamWeaver extensions manual. Maybe youll have a look at and we can exchange ideas. I dont think it would be too hard to introduce a handfull of Zope specific extensions for Dreamweaver - ones that would cover 99% of what zope requires. I think youll find that the dreamweaver extensions mechanism might possibly cover all that Zope requires, including access to the management interface. A DLL might need to be created which implements a javascript to python interface, but thats about it. Anyway, have to run. let me know what you think. Dreamweaver extensions document can be found at http://209.73.0.109/DreamWeaver/extending.pdf ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Petrilli <petrilli(a)digicool.com> To: Damian Morton <morton(a)dennisinter.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] wygiwys > > What about providing for integration with DreamWeaver. Dreamweaver has a > > complete extention mechanism which might be tweaked to provide Zope > compatability. > > > > Another alternative would be to create something that mimics a filesystem, > > which would be Dreamweaver or GoLive accessible. > > The problem is much much larger... how do you teach a system that assumes it > has total control over presentation that in-fact some things might be > iterated over? I often dynamically regenerate tables and layout information > with DTML, how would Dreamweaver figure this out? We use GoLive internally > for mock-ups, but we can't really use them for complex dynamic projects, > they simply don't have that kind of expressive capability. > > We'd be more than happy to see someone else provide this for Zope, or if > someone was willing to fund it, but, barring that, it's unlikely to ever go > anywhere. > > Chris > > -- > | Christopher Petrilli Python Powered Digital Creations, Inc. > | petrilli(a)digicool.com http://www.digicool.com >

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Re: [Zope-dev] Fw: [Zope-dev] wygiwys
by Kevin Dangoor 15 Sep '99

15 Sep '99

-----Original Message----- From: Damian Morton <morton(a)dennisinter.com> To: zope-dev(a)zope.org <zope-dev(a)zope.org> Date: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 9:27 PM Subject: [Zope-dev] Fw: [Zope-dev] wygiwys >To be a competetive solution, Zope needs to integrate with the wysiwig systems most designers use. Asking them to cut and past html simply isnt an option. Hopefully, WebDAV will catch on quickly (Dreamweaver 3 maybe?). This will surely eliminate cut and paste. >One of my complaints with DTML is that it currently cant integrate with dreamweaver or other design tools. Cold Fusion can and does integrate because of their use of custom tags using the same syntax as HTML, rather than the escaped tags used by DTML (and indeed ASP). Actually, Zope 2 has a new, preferred syntax which is not escaped-looking... <dtml-if> blah blah blah </dtml-if> etc... Kevin

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wygiwys
by Andy Pahne 14 Sep '99

14 Sep '99

one of our clients makes me nervous, twice a day: he allways asks if there is a wygiwys-possibility for the content-managers of tehir site? is there something like that or should i wait until the release of zope 3? Andy Pahne ap(a)net22.net

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strange bug with mail&redirection
by Joerg Wittenberger 14 Sep '99

14 Sep '99

Hello folks, I've got a code snippet, which seems to reveal at least one bug: I have a dtml method, which receives a form input and either a) tries to transfers control to another method, if it's there or b) changes some properties and redirects to another form: <dtml-try> <dtml-var "_['t' + `status` + 'to' + `REQUEST.form['status']`]"> <dtml-except> <dtml-call "propertysheets.manage_changeProperties(REQUEST)"> <dtml-call "RESPONSE.redirect(URL1 + '/edit')"> </dtml-try> now I have another dtml method "t5to6", which sends some mail and shares the rest of the operation:  To: jerry@localhost From: Transition Subject: STATUS: <dtml-var title> <dtml-var number> 5 -> 6 Statusübergang  <dtml-call "propertysheets.manage_changeProperties(REQUEST)"> <dtml-call "RESPONSE.redirect(URL1 + '/edit')"> Problem I (less hard): Sometimes all I do is edit the "t5to6", after that I get the message "AttributeError" __call__. I can solve that by deleting and recreating the dtml method. Problem II (real part): The method sends mail at most one time, but most of the time I see an error "Invalid Header 0:" from DTMLMethod.py line 398. I don't get that error when I either don't redirect or don't send mail. (Using mailhost instead of smtphost won't help.) /Jerry -- You can have it done fast, you can have it done cheap, and you can have it done well. --- But you can only have two of those at once.

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International Catalog
by Michel Pelletier 14 Sep '99

14 Sep '99

I cc'ed some other people on this, because there is some important locale information in this message. > -----Original Message----- > From: Martijn Faassen [mailto:m.faassen@vet.uu.nl] > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 7:33 AM > Cc: zope-dev(a)zope.org > Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope] Need a list of words not indexed by > Catalog > > Rik Hoekstra wrote: > > > > > Terrel Shumway wrote: > > > > > > > > near the end of > > > > lib/python/SearchIndex/TextIndex.py > > > > is a list called 'stop_words' > > > > > > > > [Zope Dev] It would be good to move this out of the .py > file into an > > > > editable, internationalizable resource file. > > > > > > Agreed! And then there's the *multi* lingual issue too. > What if I have > > > Dutch and English on my site? > [snip] > > It seems like you run into a _lot_ of complexities with > multilingual issues, > > and still these are real issues for many of us. > > Yes, very real issues. Suddenly ZCatalog isn't the > almost-ready tool to > add searchability to the website I'm building anymore.. Now I > need to do > quite a bit of extra work, I imagine.. I am thinking heavily about this very problem as we speak. You all correctly pointed out some of the toughest of the problems. Here are my ideas so far: Have 'vocabulary objects' store the stopwords, synonyms, stemming rules, and lexicon (collection of uniquely indexed words) in a drop-in object for ZCatalog. This way, a 'French', 'Dutch' etc. vocabulary object could be developed by a third party. TextIndexes can then reference (or acquire) a vocabular object through which it can stop, syn, stem and store words in it's lexicon. There are many other issues like sharing lexicons between similar language indexes, and having multiple back-end 'index/vocabularies' that all look like one index, so you can search a 'document source' for either 'community' or 'communauté' or 'Gemeinschaft' and get only documents relevant to that language (my applogies if these words are wrong, I'm using babelfish). I think this problem could be intractable though, if you searched for 'walking' in english, the word would stem down into 'walk', if you search for 'marche' en francais, should it stem down to 'promenade'? Anyways, there is some good news. For those of you tracking CVS we have added the ability to set your locale in Zope. This means that, forexample, the splitter/stemmer in the catalog will recognize all of those umlauts and accented letters and whatnots that english doesn't have. We would like a few people all over the place to try this out. If your locale has a different language or monetary system than the US (just about everywhere except some of canada) this might make the catalog and other parts of Zope more useful for you. local can be activated from the z2.py command like with the '-L' option. "-L ''" (an empty string) will cause local to try and autodetect your locale from your environment variables (you must set the env variables yourself, see 'man 7 locale'). Alternativly, you can say "-L de" and set your local to German. Please folks, test this out for us. We don't really have the means to do it here. -Michel

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Re: [Zope-dev] Caching
by Josh Zeidner 14 Sep '99

14 Sep '99

Hi Damien, I solved this problem for a web-site( S&S ) based in Cold-Fusion by simulating browser requests and copying the contents retrieved into a cache directory structure. The caching took place on a time-bases rather than some function of hits or timestamp. I do not know, however, if this caching mechanism could be developed( to work efficiently ) as part of Zope as any object in Zope is dynamically created. I good idea may be to write a simple web-spider that tracks the contents of the site and automatically caches all the pages on a regular basis... -josh z >From: morton(a)dennisinter.com (Damian Morton) >To: "Christopher Petrilli" <petrilli(a)digicool.com>, "Paul Mokbel" ><pm(a)webhosting.com>, <Zope-Dev(a)zope.org> >Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] Caching >Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:13:36 -0400 > >This is an interesting problem; a significant proportion of a dynamic >website is not driven by the user requesting a page, but is rather driven >by certain triggering conditions. > >In an ideal world, you be able to write your website as a dynamic website, >and some kind of magic would determine what the conditions triggring the >rendering of a page were and then set up some kind of notification >mechanism to cause the re-rendering of the page as the conditions are >triggered. > >For example, a news page only needs to be re-rendered when the news on the >page changes. > >Being able to identify which parts of a page need to be re-rendered is even >more fine-grained. > >To do this, youd have to timestamp virtually every single object, from >variables on up, with a last-modified date. This could be tricky. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Christopher Petrilli <petrilli(a)digicool.com> >To: Paul Mokbel <pm(a)webhosting.com>; <Zope-Dev(a)zope.org> >Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 9:54 PM >Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] Caching > > > > > In ROXEN (RXML); There is a tag line where by you can cache certain >content > > > within the <CACHE> brackets. Is there something similar within Zope? > > > > What has been thought of is doing more "rendered caching" (i.e. cache > > rendered results, thereby short-circuiting the DTML process). This >could be > > very advantageous, but gets into a lot of issues of management of the >cache > > which is non-trivial (Vignette, one of our competitors that does > > "consultant-ware" has several patents on it), so... patches accepted. >Note > > that performance will be one of our "watch words" in the coming months. > > > > Chris > > -- > > | Christopher Petrilli Python Powered Digital Creations, >Inc. > > | petrilli(a)digicool.com >http://www.digicool.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev(a)zope.org > > http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev > > > > (To receive general Zope announcements, see: > > http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > > > > For non-developer, user-level issues, > > zope(a)zope.org, http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) > > >_______________________________________________ >Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev(a)zope.org >http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev > >(To receive general Zope announcements, see: >http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > >For non-developer, user-level issues, >zope(a)zope.org, http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Principia-ness in Zope 2.0.0 OFS/Folder.py
by Andreas Kostyrka 14 Sep '99

14 Sep '99

class Folder(ObjectManager, PropertyManager, RoleManager, Collection, SimpleItem.Item, FindSupport): """ The basic container object in Principia. Folders can hold almost all other Principia objects. """ Andreas -- Andreas Kostyrka | andreas(a)mtg.co.at phone: +43/1/7070750 | phone: +43/676/4091256 MTG Handelsges.m.b.H. | fax: +43/1/7065299 Raiffeisenstr. 16/9 | 2320 Zwoelfaxing AUSTRIA

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Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope] Need a list of words not indexed by Catalog
by Martijn Faassen 14 Sep '99

14 Sep '99

Rik Hoekstra wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Martijn.Faassen(a)vet.uu.nl [mailto:Martijn.Faassen@vet.uu.nl]On > > Behalf Of Martijn Faassen > > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 11:35 AM > > Cc: 'zope-dev(a)zope.org' > > Subject: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope] Need a list of words not indexed by > > Catalog > > > > > > Terrel Shumway wrote: > > > > > > near the end of > > > lib/python/SearchIndex/TextIndex.py > > > is a list called 'stop_words' > > > > > > [Zope Dev] It would be good to move this out of the .py file into an > > > editable, internationalizable resource file. > > > > Agreed! And then there's the *multi* lingual issue too. What if I have > > Dutch and English on my site? [snip] > It seems like you run into a _lot_ of complexities with multilingual issues, > and still these are real issues for many of us. Yes, very real issues. Suddenly ZCatalog isn't the almost-ready tool to add searchability to the website I'm building anymore.. Now I need to do quite a bit of extra work, I imagine.. Regards, Martijn

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